Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

so at least 5500 games to be made? Is stern selling that much per title

Quoted from Rarehero:

Yeah...on one hand, I just never want to spend $12.5k on a pin...that being said, it does seem like there are a LOT of extras and differences. I suppose compared to the LE price, you're prob getting your moneys worth with the bonuses.

Quoted from thechakapakuni:

If you have this pin, stream it already!

Quoted from Joe_Blasi:

so at least 5500 games to be made? Is stern selling that much per title

Quoted from TreyBo69:

You're right, nothing is special once you start to remove the cool stuff like guitar heads and drumstick ramps returns...Every game is just some orbits, ramps, maybe a scoop, etc if you're reductive about it.
But the light show on this looks insane. And JJP has quite the track record with very robust rulesets, perfect for a home collector that will put hundreds of hours into the game over the years. It's a rather compelling package. It's simply does the theme do anything for you or not.

Quoted from D8n-flipped:

the game looks great. it doesn't sound like there are any call-outs from Axel...just the other band members.

Quoted from dri:

Bombastic DMCA smackdown and a strike to your account. Welcome down to DMCA city where nothing is free and mute AF.

Quoted from PtownPin:

Good question....I assumed they were actually signed, but if its just a print it doesn't mean much

Quoted from Hazoff:

I have to ask.
Why isn't good enough to love the look of this pin and be happy its being made, why is it important to knock Stern? I really want to know. I mean u get these comments "gary sterns office door is closed today" and "it makes Sterns look like toys" now I agree this looks good and I'm happy for JJP and GnR fans but why? Its has nothing to do with being a Stern fanboy or anything because I'm not. Enlighten me kind sirs.
I will say I think JJP is very wise to include the SE model for not that much more than a Stern pro, personally its the one I like the most and is a real possibility for me even though I'm not a huge GnR fan.

Quoted from dri:

Bombastic DMCA smackdown and a strike to your account. Welcome down to DMCA city where nothing is free and mute AF.

Quoted from pinball_keefer:

Unfortunately, you WILL have problems on Twitch playing this game. You can turn the music mix down, but it'll be weird playing without it I think.
This SEEMS to be less of a problem on YouTube and eventually if people make that status on the Facebook streaming stuff. But I'm not a streaming IP rights expert, so YMMV.

Quoted from iceman44:

It says “signature card signed by....”
Surely they aren’t passing off some facsimile signature as such? Lol
Need to get that verified.
Whether signed by an assistant or not, we would never know. But put some
Wet in on there!

Quoted from porkcarrot:

I guess that's where I don't get it, and maybe it's just that I tend to be a bit more frugal. But all this extra stuff doesn't come close to justifying the cost. Things like powder coating, signatures, and different side art add $0 worth of value to me. I agree some of the toys and lights are cool and probably do make it more fun when actually playing it, but not thousands of dollars worth. I'd rather use that extra money to buy another machine or two. But I guess if you have excessive expendable income, have at it.

Quoted from chuckwurt:

To be honest, I don’t see much more in the JJP standard compared to a stern pro. I could be overlooking something, but it’s stripped down to the bones.

Quoted from PtownPin:

To be honest I could give two shits whether their real or not, but yes we should verify.....what pushed me to the CE is the topper / sound bar / art is nicer on the CE as well, but I don't really care about art packages, but really care about sound in a music pin

Quoted from dri:

Bombastic DMCA smackdown and a strike to your account. Welcome down to DMCA city where nothing is free and mute AF.

Quoted from iceman44:

I love all the other stuff but I care about the autos too
After all the band put into it can’t believe they would put that crap into a game for their fans

Quoted from PtownPin:

To be honest I could give two shits whether their real or not, but yes we should verify.....what pushed me to the CE is the topper / sound bar / art is nicer on the CE as well, but I don't really care about art packages, but really care about sound in a music pin

Quoted from porkcarrot:

I guess that's where I don't get it, and maybe it's just that I tend to be a bit more frugal. But all this extra stuff doesn't come close to justifying the cost. Things like powder coating, signatures, and different side art add $0 worth of value to me. I agree some of the toys and lights are cool and probably do make it more fun when actually playing it, but not thousands of dollars worth. I'd rather use that extra money to buy another machine or two. But I guess if you have excessive expendable income, have at it.

Quoted from colonel_caverne:

5000 limited edition? Really?

Quoted from iceman44:

Can you clear up the autograph question Keith?

Quoted from Spelunk71:

Some of us also have very limited space for pins, so want to get as much as we can into each one. Another machine or two isn’t always an option.

Quoted from pinball_keefer:

AFAIK they're all legit. I suppose we might not know if someone autopen'd them or something, but to me knowledge they went 500 cards to 1 member, then sent them to the next, etc.

Quoted from pinball_keefer:

AFAIK they're all legit. I suppose we might not know if someone autopen'd them or something, but to my knowledge they sent 500 cards to 1 member, then sent them to the next, etc.

Quoted from porkcarrot:

There's always room for more machines in one way or another. I feel like if you can afford to drop $12K on a pin, you can afford to find a way to get more space. But there are priorities there.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Not saying its not of value but you do realize like adding an sub to a pinball machine that sound bar is $49 at Target right? And the topper is just a simple plastic sign. I'm in on LE just couldn't see the 3k bump myself but it Surely wasn't the sound bar.

Quoted from chuckwurt:

To be honest, I don’t see much more in the JJP standard compared to a stern pro. I could be overlooking something, but it’s stripped down to the bones.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Not saying its not of value but you do realize like adding an sub to a pinball machine that sound bar is $49 at Target right? And the topper is just a simple plastic sign. I'm in on LE just couldn't see the 3k bump myself but it Surely wasn't the sound bar.
Edit: I apologize it's $69 at Target unless you have a Target card coupon.
https://www.target.com/p/vizio-20-34-2-0-home-theater-sound-bar-with-integrated-deep-bass-sb2020n/-/A-76485332?ref=tgt_adv_XS000000&AFID=google_pla_df&fndsrc=tgtao&CPNG=PLA_Electronics%2BShopping_Local&adgroup=SC_Electronics&LID=700000001170770pgs&network=g&device=c&location=9021556&ds_rl=1246978&ds_rl=1248099&gclid=CjwKCAjwiOv7BRBREiwAXHbv3JTeNnNjhB9WukXDVZkR5g8ZPn9Q-a_EyGm-HYUvwE5eg7Fny0gfCBoCDpEQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Quoted from rai:

Full color changing inserts?

Quoted from Hazoff:

I have to ask.
Why isn't good enough to love the look of this pin and be happy its being made, why is it important to knock Stern? I really want to know. I mean u get these comments "gary sterns office door is closed today" and "it makes Sterns look like toys" now I agree this looks good and I'm happy for JJP and GnR fans but why? Its has nothing to do with being a Stern fanboy or anything because I'm not. Enlighten me kind sirs.
I will say I think JJP is very wise to include the SE model for not that much more than a Stern pro, personally its the one I like the most and is a real possibility for me even though I'm not a huge GnR fan.

Quoted from zr11990:

Where is the best person to order from?

Quoted from sunnRAT:

I think people gotta feel like they belong to something, so they "take a side" and fire shots like for whatever reason. I dunno.
Kinda silly when people turn into cheerleaders and play turf war among... pinball companies.
Also, don't forget i'm sure someone will still cry for "more innovation!" Boo hoo!
Now, I gotta say, this GNR looks pretty sick. Can't wait to try it out. From what I see, Jersey Jack really did some creative things. This really looks like a true rock band pinball machine. Plus, when you compare the major rock bands that are still remaining and eligible for a potential pinball theme, Guns n' Roses was the best choice out there. Now please make a Judas Priest!

Quoted from NoMonkey:

I can't speak for others but somehow I've been roped into this "anti-stern" group. I've never been anti-stern and haven't expressed as much. I did say that I thought JJP was bringing it and has put Stern to shame. That's literally about it. Past that, crazylevi lost his marbles and started making it a Stern v. JJP discussion. Then I piled on just because it was fun and he seemed legitimately perturbed about the entire notion.
Stern is fine. I don't like many of their games nor their build quality by comparison to other manufacturers; but they're not bad. JJP makes a higher quality product in my opinion is all.

Quoted from PtownPin:

I have no idea the quality of the sound bar...All I know is sound bar costs are all over the map. I just think its clever that they integrated one into the topper. I have owned all 5 JJP LE's so I've never made the leap to a CE model, and I know all to well how most JJP toppers are crap (POTC topper was cool). Justifying an additional $3K for the CE is a stretch, but I do love how they finished it off (art, rad cals, game blades, topper, shooter, powder coating, lockdown bar, lighting, etc...)....hmmmm

Quoted from kvan99:

That plus, the radcals, speaker and topper upgrade made it hard not to get the CE

Quoted from NoMonkey:

I can't speak for others but somehow I've been roped into this "anti-stern" group. I've never been anti-stern and haven't expressed as much. I did say that I thought JJP was bringing it and has put Stern to shame. That's literally about it. Past that, crazylevi lost his marbles and started making it a Stern v. JJP discussion. Then I piled on just because it was fun and he seemed legitimately perturbed about the entire notion.
Stern is fine. I don't like many of their games nor their build quality by comparison to other manufacturers; but they're not bad. JJP makes a higher quality product in my opinion is all.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

I'm all for the CE model with features added that don't affect gameplay (just cosmetic additions). However, I think it's a bad decision not to include the physical Coma ball lock on the LE model. Same goes for less RGB lights on the LE. JJP has always included all physical gameplay features on their LE models up until now. It's disappointing that you now have to spend $12.5k, silly money for a pin as I call it, to get all the physical features.

Quoted from rai:

I love RadCals and the speaker topper is a great (maybe worthwhile addition) I’d easily call them combined as worth $1k maybe $1500 in pinball funny money. I don’t really care about under cabinet lights but all the little touches added together might be worth $3k for the CE.

Quoted from Silkenone:

Twisted Sister’s next? Shuddup and take my money!