(Topic ID: 18530)
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Guns N' Roses
Data East, 1994
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Lexington, NC
Regina, SK
I'm pretty sure any time there's a multiball going, they're on.
On the apron, there's a light that illuminates when the magnets are active.
....That, and they really go ape shit.
@ the 1:45 mark in your video, they should be active (during coma).
Check the fuses under the playfield. They are always blown and no one thinks to replace them.
3.0 is the latest rom revision
Also check the CN1 connector on the power board for damage or hacks.
I assume you're just looking for an example of how the magnets work and this isn't the machine you're buying. In that video, the right-hand magnet is definitely working - you'll see it yank a ball straight down at 1:49. Couldn't see any action from the other two, though.
As GR8pinball says, check the fuses, and the magnet board itself - according to pinrepair, if a magnet fuse blows, it can also mean the magnet board will have mosfet/chip damage.
What's up with the wireforms on that GNR? The launch one and the one from the VUK - did DE change those during the run, and would those be early or late?
Thanxx guy's.... The GNR that i'm think-n about getting , the owner just installed a New magnet board and installed New diodes on each magnet . He just called and said Everything is working 100% now.. Gonna go look at it 2-morrow..
On the apron, there's a light that illuminates when the magnets are active.
....That, and they really go ape shit.
The magnet light must be the White Condom bulb ,, Thanxx bro ...
The magnets in that game make no sense and serve only to ruin the fun. I spent hours getting mine fixed only to just disable them after. It's not like Adams Family where magnets fit the theme. They just make no sense in GnR. Game is much more fun after disabling them. Your multiballs are then based off skill rather than some lame magnetic force screwing with the ball.
Quoted from markmon:The magnets in that game make no sense and serve only to ruin the fun.
I suppose the same can be said for any magnets in any game that change ball direction, but where's the fun in that? I actually find it's just as common for GNR to deflect a SDTM ball to safety, (sometimes 180 degrees back up the playfied) as it is to throw a ball SDTM. IMO one of the best uses of magnets in any game.
Quoted from lefttee:The picture of the apron you posted is either a sample or prototype.
It was a photo of a sample game, pulled directly off the IPDB.
It was a photo of a sample game, pulled directly off the IPDB.
http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1100&picno=33086&zoom=1
That's rite ,,, Here's a Pict- of the 1 in my GRG ... Need's a Good shop Job and it Will be Just Fine !!
Over-all the Pin is in good shape , cab- has a few touch-up , the New Magnet board was moved & wired to a New location behind the head , ( Per RGP ) Magnet's work Great .,.
The Sample Apron lOOk's like mine ,, What's the diff- ?
Shanetastic is Planning on coming over 2-morrow , ( after the Father's Day Stuff we All have to do )
Were gonna take an inventory list on the Part's for GNR !! Does Anyone have any Spare Plastics
that go above the scoop ? I'm in Need of that !! ... Hooked came by , he was up this way
Pick-n up a Black Rose Pin.. The Pict- would have to been Blurry.... 1st Tyme he's been Here.
Quoted from Firebaall:I bought a repo set.
You're welcome to the starburst plastic that I didn't use.
Where's that Plastic located F.B ?
Firebaall, if B_R needs both and orders a new set I'd gladly pay the shipping for it. Mine is broken, but the previous owner had already replaced the Axl plastic with the othe repros out there, so I couldn't justify buying both when you don't really see the starburst anyway. Well that and I'm cheap too. LOL!
Whatever you guy's Have, I'll Gladly Have a close by PinHead do a PayPal or i can send a Check..
Firebaall , I'll PM you my address ..
Quoted from Firebaall:My offer is up to B_R first, but if he doesn't want it, it's yours.
My case was the opposite. Axl was broken, but not my starburst.
How much ?
Quoted from DCfoodfreak:You got it! Awesome. Fun machine and I can't wait to see it after you light it up right.
Oh Yea ,,, The insert's are Hardly visible w/ the reg- incand- bulb's ,, Shop First tho...
Will Post it All Here !!! And Thanxx Kwiki ....
Quoted from Baiter:I suppose the same can be said for any magnets in any game that change ball direction, but where's the fun in that? I actually find it's just as common for GNR to deflect a SDTM ball to safety, (sometimes 180 degrees back up the playfied) as it is to throw a ball SDTM. IMO one of the best uses of magnets in any game.
Except in this game not only do they take away from the fun, but they also don't figure into the theme. It makes sense in Adams family or SW ep1 theme wize. But not here.
The magnet use is great in GnR.
It doesn't ruin the "fun" to have them. It increases the chaos of the multiball, and fits the rock theme just fine.
Quoted from markmon:Game is much more fun after disabling them. Your multiballs are then based off skill rather than some lame magnetic force screwing with the ball.
Baloney. Dealing with the random ball action takes a heck of a lot more skill than disabling a game feature because it kicked your ass, or that you didn't care for the difficulty it adds.
Quoted from markmon:Except in this game not only do they take away from the fun, but they also don't figure into the theme. It makes sense in Adams family or SW ep1 theme wize. But not here.
Wrong, wrong, wrong on every level, in every way possible. Epic fail.
Have you ever been to a GNR show back in the day? (Obviously not).
To have 6 balls in play, and 3 magnets randomizing their movement and adding to chaos of ball movement is nearly exactly how I'd replicate, in pinball form, being the front of the crowd in a GNR show back in the day. E-X-A-C-T-L-Y.
You never knew who was jumping into you/on top of you, who was going to try and steal your shoes (Throwing shoes EVERYWHERE was a theme of the GNR/Metallica tour), when a shoe (or beer, or other projectile) was going to hit you from the sky, when a fight/mosh would break out and surround you, or when someone would just come up and hug you and scream "F Ya!" and cheer you with a beer because they were so happy to be there, etc etc.
I wasn't at the St Louis 91 show, but I think they probably need about 3 MORE magnets to properly replicate that experience in pinball form.
You are aware there's a RIOT mode in Guns right? You are familiar with the old band and their shows? If so, you'd say the magnets fit the theme PERFECTLY. Actually, maybe better than ANY other game with magnets (except of course the forthcoming XM).
"Unpredictible" is a the perfect word to describe being in the crowd at a GNR show back in the day. And there's nothing that adds to the unpredictablitiy of a pinball playfield the way 3 randomizing magnets do.
Quoted from mechslave:Wrong, wrong, wrong on every level, in every way possible. Epic fail.
Have you ever been to a GNR show back in the day? (Obviously not).
To have 6 balls in play, and 3 magnets randomizing their movement and adding to chaos of ball movement is nearly exactly how I'd replicate, in pinball form, being the front of the crowd in a GNR show back in the day. E-X-A-C-T-L-Y.
Well F'n said !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I saw GNR at Benita Beach in Fla in 06 , Axl was the Only orig- member.
Still had fun tho.. Everyone was seated .. No chaos.. I snuck in a Pint of Tequila in each boot,
I rem- Skid Row and Papa Roach ,, and slightly rem- GNR... I had More in me than Liquor ..
Quoted from Honch:Nice score, BR. I think it's the top DE pin along side TFTC.
Thanks Honch ,,
Quoted from mechslave:Have you ever been to a GNR show back in the day? (Obviously not).
To have 6 balls in play, and 3 magnets randomizing their movement and adding to chaos of ball movement is nearly exactly how I'd replicate, in pinball form, being the front of the crowd in a GNR show back in the day. E-X-A-C-T-L-Y.
Having the machine stay in attract mode until 11pm would replicate the GNR concert experience too, but that doesn't necessarily mean it would be a good idea to implement.
I don't care for the way the magnets work, but I've kept them operating as intended in mine. I figure it was designed that way for a reason, and if I disable them that's just the start of a slippery slope to playing with the glass off, setting it to 5 balls or putting in a center post.
Quoted from Blackjacker:Having the machine stay in attract mode until 11pm would replicate the GNR concert experience too, but that doesn't necessarily mean it would be a good idea to implement.
Quoted from Jgel:Dibs for when the sale come in 3 weeks.
3 week's ,,, Man I have 3 PinHead's wanting it now !! I need a New 22-800 or 600 Launch coil , When it goes into Multi-ball , if the 1st ball doesn't make the climb , here comes the 2nd out and you can 4-Get it then.. Every other coil is Strong on the p/f . I even have coil pulse set to Hard.. I'm Headed to Jacks 2-morrow to get another.
Edit: 22-600 ,, http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/090-5023-0T
Quoted from BLACK_ROSE:I need a New 22-800 or 600 Launch coil , When it goes into Multi-ball , if the 1st ball doesn't make the climb , here comes the 2nd out and you can 4-Get it then.. Every other coil is Strong on the p/f . I even have coil pulse set to Hard.. I'm Headed to Jacks 2-morrow to get another.
Service bulletin:
If you find BR's AC/DC thread in the gameroom garage you 'll see the backstory on it.
BIG HINT --- HE SOLD IT!
BR, it takes big balls to buy a $6K pin, play it and even though you like it decide to sell it
within a month or two of having it. You definitely go against the grain of what the norm is,
AND I LIKE THAT! You're your own man, and you call the shots on what your collection is gonna
look like.
Congrats on getting the G n R. You've had that on your list for a long time.
Quoted from Firebaall:Service bulletin:
http://www.sternpinball.com/downloads/sb64.pdf
Thanxx for the Link Firebaall,,
Now that's a Big help !!!!!!! When i went and Picked up GNR he had All the levelers bottomed out.. The ball was So Slow , 1-Tyme the ball barely got over a Roll over.. but they Were getting over the Steep shooter ramp , and the G-ramp and the R-ramp ,, No Problem making ,, 
CraZZyy !!! What's the Next Strongest coil after 22-600 , ( A Lil-More Push , would this work ? )
Quoted from JWS64:If you find B_R's AC/DC thread in the Gameroom Garage you 'll see the backstory on it.
BIG HINT --- HE SOLD IT!
BR, it takes big balls to buy a $6K pin, play it and even though you like it decide to sell it
within a month or two of having it. You definitely go against the grain of what the norm is,
AND I LIKE THAT! You're your own man, and you call the shots on what your collection is gonna
look like.
Congrats on getting the G n R. You've had that on your list for a long time.
Thanxx J.W , I caught Hell for do-n it ,, but I Had my Reason's.. I even Flew to Texas to Play it B-4 I sent C.Taker the last 1/2 Pay-off.. AC/DC Prem/LE is a Bad ASS Pin.. Thanxx man !!
Quoted from BLACK_ROSE:CraZZyy !!! What's the Next Strongest coil after 22-600 , ( A Lil-More Push , would this work ? )
22-XXX
XXX=a lower number than 600
Caution though. Make sure you use the latest ROMs. They added a watchdog routine that monitors the shooter lane for a stuck ball during multiball. If you jam up the shooter lane without the new code + stronger coil, you could have a serious meltdown.
I've been thinking about changing my ball launch coil to something a bit more aggressive, as I want more "zip" on launch. If you try it, let me know how it works out.
Technically speaking, you could unwind say, 50 turns and make a 22-550!
Quoted from mechslave:Wrong, wrong, wrong on every level, in every way possible. Epic fail.
Have you ever been to a GNR show back in the day? (Obviously not).
To have 6 balls in play, and 3 magnets randomizing their movement and adding to chaos of ball movement is nearly exactly how I'd replicate, in pinball form, being the front of the crowd in a GNR show back in the day. E-X-A-C-T-L-Y.
You never knew who was jumping into you/on top of you, who was going to try and steal your shoes (Throwing shoes EVERYWHERE was a theme of the GNR/Metallica tour), when a shoe (or beer, or other projectile) was going to hit you from the sky, when a fight/mosh would break out and surround you, or when someone would just come up and hug you and scream "F Ya!" and cheer you with a beer because they were so happy to be there, etc etc.
I wasn't at the St Louis 91 show, but I think they probably need about 3 MORE magnets to properly replicate that experience in pinball form.
You are aware there's a RIOT mode in Guns right? You are familiar with the old band and their shows? If so, you'd say the magnets fit the theme PERFECTLY. Actually, maybe better than ANY other game with magnets (except of course the forthcoming XM).
"Unpredictible" is a the perfect word to describe being in the crowd at a GNR show back in the day. And there's nothing that adds to the unpredictablitiy of a pinball playfield the way 3 randomizing magnets do.
I could maybe see an argument then for enabling it during Riot mode. But not every single multiball. But thank you for your explanation. That's the best one I've ever heard for justification of magnets in this game.
Quoted from markmon:I could maybe see an argument then for enabling it during Riot mode. But not every single multiball. But thank you for your explanation. That's the best one I've ever heard for justification of magnets in this game.
Yr a magnet Hater ,, Ok !!!
Quoted from Firebaall:22-XXX
XXX=a lower number than 600
Caution though. Make sure you use the latest ROMs. They added a watchdog routine that monitors the shooter lane for a stuck ball during multiball. If you jam up the shooter lane without the new code + stronger coil, you could have a serious meltdown.
I've been thinking about changing my ball launch coil to something a bit more aggressive, as I want more "zip" on launch. If you try it, let me know how it works out.
Technically speaking, you could unwind say, 50 turns and make a 22-550!
I did take off 20 Rd's ,,, No Change !! Gonna get another coil 2-morrow and Experiment..
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