Going to play a pro for the first time tomorrow. Looking forward to it. Got a feeling I'll love the layout (as I love Borg games) and art (duh), but be underwhelmed by ruleset, mostly because I've already got AS. Call outs aren't a big deal unless you've watched the movie 10 times and know them backwards.

Looks like it shoots good to me, I bet you like it.

I had an idea to take a regular Stern shooter and customise it with a Milano Style throttle arm.

obviously still have to dress it up but this is just the mechanics of the design and it allows the plunger to come out over 2 inches. The handle may just be a little (few millimetres) higher than the lock down bar

What do you reckon?

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looks nice. Does it pivot (hinged) or is the whole thing fixed and pulling the "handle" is just like pulling the plunger?

Pulling the handle will pull the plunger back so the handle is functional

very nice !

not nice

Its just sad that if the communty does all the work, we basically pay full price AND does the work stern should be doing...:/

I'll get over myself if you get over yourself for being so sensitive for issues other people have with Stern games

Never known someone so sensitive over people's issues with big boy toys

Seriously, you've never known people to be this sensitive? Everyone is offended and sensitive about everything in today's world including yourself.

I'll get over myself when you get over yourself and I'm rubber and you're glue and blah blah blah.

This post offends me.

I’m not offended by many things and someone not liking Stern games certainly isn’t one of them lol. I just don’t like people talking crap when they have no reason to or no facts to back up their claims. If someone doesn’t like a particular game it doesn’t bother me at all. I just get tired of all the negative BS for nothing all the time.

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The fact you think I was talking crap shows we are a million miles away from ever agreeing.

Simple answer to all of this.......

Bye

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I wasn’t even talking about you. I’m talking about all the negative Nancy’s on here. Smh.....

Your going to be in time out and miss recess if you don't simmer down.

need idea, but I have to think this is going to beat up the lock down bar over time?

can you set up a limiter so people dont do that?

Uhhh, considering everything that's been going down lately, you couldn't have come up with a better choice of words?

I find bobbity bo to be hilarious, I pretty much agree with your assessment of the rest.

If I were Stern I wouldn't be paying the voice people until they rerecorded Ronan, Yondu, and some of the Rocket lines.

I'm glad there are callouts in the game, so progress at least in the right direction. That being said I couldn't really get past the cheap feel with voice actors. The Yondu parts were cringe worthy. I have an Avengers pin that I customized complete with movie callouts and music, but that took a long time to do. I'm not sure if I want to do that again.

That being said, I think this would've been much easier if they simply used a voice actor for Howard the Duck to do all the callouts. Ignore movie lines, have Howard be more like a guide through the game while making movie references.

I love Transformers. One of my favourite games. I don’t give a rats arse if it isn’t the original Megatron voice. It is good enough for a pinball game.
Everybody who comes and plays on my games always remark how much they enjoy it. I know one pinhead bought one after only playing a couple of games on mine. Another guy is looking for one to buy.

Take away the Pinside hive mentality and there are a lot of good games out there.

And yet you give them an early sale.

How anyone thinks Stern is going to change if buyers don't hold them accountable is beyond me.

I agree, but there are different contraints in the equation for buying on route.

Granted those need to be considered also, but till recently I think many ops viewed Sternpros as a sure thing to purchase.

When I see statements like this I always wonder. I mean, if all the complaining on Pinside about Stern over the last two years was removed from the site, there might only be 1/3 of the posts. Yet people complain that Stern hasn't changed yet, which probably means that all the complaining hasn't really impacted their sales. Does this mean all the complaining on Pinside really does mean nothing? Mind blown....

No, it doesn't mean nothing.

But when people bitch and moan about quality and code issues and continue to buy new games with those same issues - that means nothing. It makes things worse because it shows Stern we don't have the balls to back up our words with actions. Why should Stern change if we are still begging to buy games we complain about? Why should they care if we really don't?

And I don't buy that the decision for an operator is fundamentally different. Rewarding bad behavior never works out for anyone.

Replacing a voice actor callout with a movie quote is putting lipstick on a pig. The big problem, which you can't fix, is that the callouts just play in a loop with no regard for what's happening on the playfield. If you're dying to hear Hollywood actors, just turn down your game volume and crank up a DVD while you play. Same effect. You can even make a GOTG2 pin!

I think we can assume SW sales are way less than expected now thatit already showed up on the IFPA/Stern rewards program. That is where left over stock with too many parts produced seems to go...

Marvel ONLY lets the two douchebag "actors" do pinball voices. It doesn't matter if it was supposed to be "Howard the Duck", it would still sound like one of these 2 assholes & not Seth Green who voiced Howard the Duck in GOTG. It also wouldn't solve the problem of a personality based theme having zero personality. They needed the movie callouts mixed with a GOOD Rocket & Drax sound-alike for custom callouts, end of story. They failed. Marvel sucks for pinball. Hopefully all the Deadpool contracts go through Fox...that game will still have a chance.

When talking about pinball? No, I'm good.

Yep. Operator decision. Wouldn't buy one at this stage for myself though and I'm sure Stern is losing lots of sales, especially LE sales.

Stern never seems to miss an opportunity to disappoint

Exactly! It is obvious that for all the complaining, nothing is really changing. So either the complainers were never buying Stern in the first place, are buying Stern regardless, or those who aren't don't make enough of a difference to matter to Stern.

If someone complains, but then goes ahead and buys the pin anyway, who cares? I personally am not going to buy GoTG right away. Was planning to, but unless a code update comes out in the next couple of weeks that changes things up, I will wait.

However I am not trying to get people to join some crusade, and get "pinball woke", and change the world. If people want to buy, they will buy. Don't see what getting all butthurt about how other people choose to spend their money solves anything.

I keep reading about comparisons with Metallica but don't see them besides a similar layout. Metallica Pro actually offers value with original + custom callouts by the band, has laser etched metal ramps, metal habit rails, metal lane guides, two molded toys, main magnet and 3 drop targets.

Compared to Metallica Pro GOTG looks like a game with a whole lot of plastic. Fast and furious? Of course, the ramps are plastic...at $5500+ that's not always a good thing.

Sterns last two releases seem more focused on increasing the bottom line compared to offering feature rich products. Even the pro at $5500 is a ton of money to spend on a pin, for that amount of dough I expect more.

Stern basically peaked at Metallica. You can tell this since so many comparisons keep being made back to it with each new release.

Obviously that's the comparison. Very similar layouts, with IM War Machine kickback thrown in. As a MET & IM owner, for that fact alone, I'd never own GOTG.

But man that GOTG code is a joke tho. The worst integration of video clips & sound on any LCD game to date. I can't believe the clips/sounds just loop regardless of ball interaction & what's happening on the playfield. I don't know how you could do any worse. They may fix it a year from now, but at that point, who gives a shit. Damage is already done & people will be onto the next big thing. What a waste of a great license.

Anyone who buys this to put in their home before the code is complete is insane. So many better choices/value out there. Don't settle for less.

I see you talk about value a lot. How much value do you put on fun?

Not saying the game is fun, just curious.

I dunno. Walking Dead is a fantastic game.

I'm not buying any more Stern NIB games, but I still enjoy playing them on location and lucky we have a few decent places to do so, however, I still HATE paying a buck a game for beta code. It's one thing when they put games on test locations before release, but they don't even do that anymore. I'm just starting to finally enjoy Batman 66, but come on. It shouldn't take this long to have a complete game. Stern needs to hire more help and ship games complete. End of story.

And how many years did it take to get fantastic? When it was first released, everyone hated it. Im guessing this will be the same way. Given some time for the code to develop, it will be good.

Wrong. 2 major points:

1. TWD, as a theme, can get by not being exactly like the show. Player vs. Zombies is simple enough to work.

2. LYMAN MOTHAFARKIN' SHEATS.

GOTG is too dependent on the humor & charm of the license to botch the audio component...and no Lyman = the game is what it is. Hoping for anything different is a fools errand.

My reasoning is, Howard the Duck was a nice little easter egg put in by James Gunn. He has all of 10-12 seconds of air time in 2 movies but a nice callback for comic book fans. I don't think people would care near as much to have that character have a voice actor with original call-outs compared to the main characters having voice-overs from actual movie lines.

I'm fairly certain a Deadpool pin would go through Marvel as Disney and Marvel have retained all merchandising rights to the characters. Deadpool seems to be on the verge of reverting back to Marvel anyhow. The movie is cool and all, but I'd much rather see a comic inspired Deadpool pin with Nolan North voicing the character.

About as long as Metallica did. Both happen to be coded by Lyman.

Don't be an asshole and use 'rape' as a term in pinball. It's really horrid. Don't defend it.

Since GB premium my last Nib, I passed successively B66, AS, SW and GOTG.
Just Bought TWD LE huo last year with last code update and Met pro led Nib 5 month ago.
Was so disappointed with GOTG ( while I love the theme) that I ordered a DI LE.
Customers are not blind anymore and it is growing for sure.

Yeah, totally unnecessary. We've done a good job purging it from common usage in video games and replacing it with "rekt" or something like that. It's been much nicer.

Looking at the stream from waspinat0r I think you guys are all confusing callouts in a game with speech. They added speech, not callouts. My opinion.

I don't kowtow to PC policing, especially when it's misplaced. If your brain somehow equates raping an easy shot on a pinball machine with raping a person that's your problem. And you can't take the high road by name calling. And I've never liked you. You come off as smug.

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The most messed up thing about this is the rocket voice sounds a hell of a lot like Peter Quill. Enough that it confused me about who was talking.

I agree. But at the same time, those developers tend to acknowledge they're releasing an unfinished product and that early buyers are meant to break the game to keep it evolving. This is much easier to do for $19.99-$39.99. Not so much for $5,500.

Now if Stern or other pinball manufacturers stated they're selling unfinished machines and encouraged us to find all the bugs for them, I think this forum might have a full meltdown lol.