Quoted from kvan99:

Yeah everybody shutup and lower your expectations. Send money now!!

Quoted from kermit24:

until it meets your expectations

Quoted from Rarehero:

It's a great comparison. Pinball is a game. It's not a car, a piece of art, or something to stare at. It's a game.

Quoted from waspinat0r:

I don't feel like getting yelled at because you guys.

Quoted from pinmister:

I think a lot of people give you shit because it is the exact opposite of what everyone else does when they purchase a game, I could not comprehend it myself at first and I felt like you were not giving the games a true chance because of the quick flipping. To each is own, I respect your passion for pinball. I actually get a kick watching newer people get consumed by this disease(also called pinball collecting). Some get more consumed than others.
Keep your passion and don't listen to the haters, you have certainly entertained me.

Quoted from waspinat0r:

I'll be honest -- the game is more fun to shoot than any of the other games I've owned yet. (Granted, I've not owned the games it's allegedly based on, so I can't compare) However, the code obviously has quite a bit of road left to travel, and there are quite a few things that need to be changed around. (The left ramp needs an airball deflector for sure, the drop target needs a plastic protector), and a couple of other things. I'm pleased with just flipping around for now, and am definitely anticipating code updates, because I think the game is going to be a winner.
That doesn't mean I won't trade it though, that's just what I do in order to try new games(I can only afford one or two max at a time). The only reason I haven't started officially taking offers yet is because I don't feel like getting yelled at because you guys. LOL

Quoted from brainmegaphone:

Man -to hell with a bunch of people on the internet. Do what makes you happy. My only beef with you is to stop fooling yourself into thinking there is a perfect game or a keeper for you. There isn’t. You just want a game for a few weeks. That’s okay. Just admit that to yourself for what it is. This makes your searches so much easier.
That being said isn’t your game room upstairs? Your back must be killing you! I have a bulkhead for my basement game room and only move 1 or 2 times a year and I feel like crap for a week afterwords. Lol.

Quoted from pinmister:

Everyone's expectations will differ, but to nitpick a title to death trying to find imperfections or issues with beta code often does not lead to anything productive.
I am a perfect example, I bashed Stern and Star Wars upon release and put on my 'blinders' where I could only see the negative and not the positive. I tried to convince myself that Star Wars was crap and it was not a good machine. Then over time I opened my ears and listened to other owners who stated over and over how much fun the game is. I finally let down my defensive guard and lowered my expectations and I am really happy with my recent Star Wars LE purchase. It is a really fun game and my whole family is enjoying it.
Guardians of the Galaxy will be great and fun to play-keeping it positive on this one (;

Quoted from waspinat0r:

Metallica is one game I wish I had've owned by now. I feel like I would've kept it. Maybe even Kiss.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Maybe I'll pick up a PS4 this weekend. They're less than $200 everywhere this weekend.

Quoted from rubberducks:

Can't comment on the validity of your Vault theory. I do think they'dbe missing a trick not to do TWD VE with comic book art in future though.

Quoted from tdiddy:

It's fun and there's tons of potential people

Quoted from Whysnow:

pretty simple really... marketing.
You will sell vaults to both completely new owners AND current owners.
You provide an option the customer wants (i.e. no stupid prem left ramp flap but with spinner and bomb button)
It costs you nearly nothing to make the new vault model and you can market and sell it for more than the pro while still only costing about the same as the pro to make.
There would be both prem/le and pro buyers that would upgrade to the newer version which many would consider the best of both worlds. (yeah yeah... I know all the prem/le owners claim to love the left ramp pash toy, but if we are honest it is very clunky and a poor implementation compared to the smoothness of the pro ramp)
The person whom told me is typically pretty good with info.
I personally hope it happens because the only thing keeping me from getting a pro is the lacking bomb and spinner. The only thing keping me from a prem is the stupid ramp. It would be great to see the final polish on what I think is one of the best common day games made and programmed.

Quoted from cosmokramer:

Dude, you need to call your local garage door company and have that extension spring replaced with a torsion spring system. Your door will work much smoother and you wont have an injured child or busted up pinball machine when it snaps...and it will.
Expect to pay just under $400, but its worth it...

Quoted from Hazoff:

That's great but you don't have to, why do you guys make it out like someone is forcing you to buy this game? Super Mario good comparison

Quoted from DCFAN:

They do have safety cables that go through the springs now. If the spring snaps the broken spring stays in position on the safety cable.

Quoted from cosmicjim:

I watched Waspinator on stream. He looks younger (but not young) than the average pinball owner, which isn't hard, sorry guys. Actually seeing him helps me understand better. If you dont have the space and cash flow, but are new to ownership, swapping out games makes sense. I was the same way, but the difference for me was I had space and cash flow and ended up buying 10+ machines in a relatively short time. If I had not had the space or cash flow at the time, I would have definitely quickly cycled through many of my games. The younger generations are starting to hoard less and less than older generations and dont have as much attachment to physical objects.

Quoted from cosmicjim:

I watched Waspinator on stream. He looks younger (but not young) than the average pinball owner, which isn't hard, sorry guys. Actually seeing him helps me understand better. If you dont have the space and cash flow, but are new to ownership, swapping out games makes sense. I was the same way, but the difference for me was I had space and cash flow and ended up buying 10+ machines in a relatively short time. If I had not had the space or cash flow at the time, I would have definitely quickly cycled through many of my games. The younger generations are starting to hoard less and less than older generations and dont have as much attachment to physical objects.

Quoted from waspinat0r:

HE GETS IT!
Edit: also, what's all this "but not young" talk.

Quoted from pinmister:

oes get old after the 100 time of reiteration(Again Broken Record)
Time to dive back in Rare and buy some new Sterns-they are a blast!
Lower your expectations and be thankful....

Quoted from Rarehero:

I'm sick of this sycophancy.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Wow. This is the most insane post I've read in a while. You're sick of my "broken record", I'm sick of this sycophancy. Lower my expectations for $5000-$8000?!!? On what planet !?!? Dive back in in a new Stern? What game!?!? The current roster isn't a blast. A blast in the nuts, maybe? B66= Clunky, overpriced, unfinished. GB = Worst game ever. GOT & SW = Zero fun mechanical features, convoluted math chess. AS, Kiss, GOTG = clones of better games with uninspired rules. The 7 Sterns I have now are a blast. Be thankful!? For what? To give my money over for untested and unfinished games? BE THANKFUL!? That's what led Stern to making people BEG to buy Batman. F that S. They need to be thankful that are still people willing to spend this much on a giant retro game (for
now).

Quoted from Rarehero:

Wow. This is the most insane post I've read in a while. You're sick of my "broken record", I'm sick of this sycophancy. Lower my expectations for $5000-$8000?!!? On what planet !?!? Dive back in in a new Stern? What game!?!? The current roster isn't a blast. A blast in the nuts, maybe? B66= Clunky, overpriced, unfinished. GB = Worst game ever. GOT & SW = Zero fun mechanical features, convoluted math chess. AS, Kiss, GOTG = clones of better games with uninspired rules. The 7 Sterns I have now are a blast. Be thankful!? For what? To give my money over for untested and unfinished games? BE THANKFUL!? That's what led Stern to making people BEG to buy Batman. F that S. They need to be thankful that are still people willing to spend this much on a giant retro game (for
now).

Quoted from hank527:

I typically agree but BM66 is much better now. I'd say it's the best Stern after Metallica available right now. I'd buy it way before GOTG.
My advice is to avoid GOTG and pick up Metallica, BM66, or GOT.
I think Game of Thrones is damn good and for me it's the last traditional title before the LCD that was really good.
GOTG is unplayable.
BM66 after one year is fun.
AS is okay
WWE is garbage
Kiss is very okay
GB is clunky and I do not get it. I had it and got rid of it.
SW is brutal and very bare. I kinda like it in a large collection.

Quoted from fosaisu:

I know you love using that word, and while it is insulting, it’s also inaccurate. It doesn’t mean “blind loyalty,” it means “obsequious behavior toward someone important in order to gain advantage” (thanks Google). Do you really think people are kissing up to Gary Stern in hopes that he’ll bestow some special favor on them?

Quoted from Rarehero:

Hmmm...alrighty, what term should I use then for this blind loyalty? Cult? Sterntologists?

Quoted from pinmister:

Rare I respect you and your post and with no intended offense I think you need to lower your expectations a little. Quality has gone down on occasion and price has gone up, but how many times do we need to hear that you have not bought or supported Stern since Metallica. It is starting to sound like a broken record, and makes you look like a Stern hater(which I know you are not).
I guess my point is I think you need to relax a little and be thankful pinball is back in the spotlight and you have choices to buy from multiple companies. I got frustrated at Stern's money grabbing Batman 66 game release and it put a bad taste in my mouth, but I got over it quickly. I got a bad taste in my mouth when Rick with PPS started flapping his mouth at fellow pinsider's about coin mechs, etc., but I got over it and bought a MMR.
Stern has been behind the eight ball since their move and they may have rushed out machines or cut and pasted design elements to make a production schedule deadline, but they are still turning out decent, fun games imo. The only games Stern has made that I do not care for are WWF, and Batman 66 (Mainly because I am not into theme). All of Sterns other games made since Metallica are fun games.
You can argue all day long until you are blue in the face trying to convince other people not to buy "Stern Crap" because lack of code or imperfections, or bad design, etc. I think you are wasting your breath, because Pinsiders make up maybe 5-10% of the overall potential pinball buyers. This ideology of 'If we all take a stance and don't buy-Stern will learn a lesson and make improvements' is a pipe dream. Sorry but Stern is up 40% in last two years and doing very well, they take suggestions into consideration, but they will maintain their 3 title a year release regardless of production delays.
I have been very happy with all of my recent NIB Stern pinball machine purchases and I am thankful that I am in the position to be able to afford them and I am thankful that Stern is still in business making great machines.
I am not a Stern Fanboy, just a dedicated pinhead who loves pinball and wants it to thrive.

Yes it's important to have this conversation, but it does get old after the 100 time of reiteration(Again Broken Record)
Time to dive back in Rare and buy some new Sterns-they are a blast!
Lower your expectations and be thankful....

Quoted from Pimp77:

I just discovered a new game series on last gen video game hardware (xbox360): Borderlands. It’s awesome, cost me almost nothing, I’m ~20 hours into the FIRST game and no end is in sight. A bad node board on a new $5500-$9000 Stern will cost me hundreds in comparison. Winner: video games!

Quoted from pinmister:

Rare I respect you and your post and with no intended offense I think you need to lower your expectations a little. Quality has gone down on occasion and price has gone up, but how many times do we need to hear that you have not bought or supported Stern since Metallica. It is starting to sound like a broken record, and makes you look like a Stern hater(which I know you are not).
I guess my point is I think you need to relax a little and be thankful pinball is back in the spotlight and you have choices to buy from multiple companies. I got frustrated at Stern's money grabbing Batman 66 game release and it put a bad taste in my mouth, but I got over it quickly. I got a bad taste in my mouth when Rick with PPS started flapping his mouth at fellow pinsider's about coin mechs, etc., but I got over it and bought a MMR.
Stern has been behind the eight ball since their move and they may have rushed out machines or cut and pasted design elements to make a production schedule deadline, but they are still turning out decent, fun games imo. The only games Stern has made that I do not care for are WWF, and Batman 66 (Mainly because I am not into theme). All of Sterns other games made since Metallica are fun games.
You can argue all day long until you are blue in the face trying to convince other people not to buy "Stern Crap" because lack of code or imperfections, or bad design, etc. I think you are wasting your breath, because Pinsiders make up maybe 5-10% of the overall potential pinball buyers. This ideology of 'If we all take a stance and don't buy-Stern will learn a lesson and make improvements' is a pipe dream. Sorry but Stern is up 40% in last two years and doing very well, they take suggestions into consideration, but they will maintain their 3 title a year release regardless of production delays.
I have been very happy with all of my recent NIB Stern pinball machine purchases and I am thankful that I am in the position to be able to afford them and I am thankful that Stern is still in business making great machines.
I am not a Stern Fanboy, just a dedicated pinhead who loves pinball and wants it to thrive.

Yes it's important to have this conversation, but it does get old after the 100 time of reiteration(Again Broken Record)
Time to dive back in Rare and buy some new Sterns-they are a blast!
Lower your expectations and be thankful....

Quoted from tbanthony:

... that doesn’t mean that some customers don’t have unreasonable expectations, but if someone is unhappy with a product you shouldn’t tell them they should be silent. Screw that. Block their posts if you are so tired of it

Quoted from tbanthony:

if someone is unhappy with a product you shouldn’t tell them they should be silent. Screw that.

Quoted from iceman44:

Call up Stern and tell them or vote with your wallet
The negative circle jerk here does NOTHING

Quoted from Rarehero:

This doesn't exist.

Quoted from mittens:

Well I also think GOTG is going to suck but for 2 reasons only:
1 - I don't have the funds at the moment
2 - I don't have the space at the moment

Quoted from Who-Dey:

The Stern hate has gotten out of control on here for sure. I don’t have a problem with anyone not liking Stern at all, I have a problem with the people who won’t stfu and feel like they have to shit on every Stern game that is made and those who make it their job in life to bash Stern on Pinside constantly. I have been so busy that I only got to watch about 5-10 minutes of gameplay for GOTG so I can’t wait to watch it and see if all of this hate is warranted. I know the game is beautiful and as of right now I am jealous AF of you guys that own the game so far. I have no doubt this game is going to be a huge success and a big big seller!

Quoted from pinballaddicted:

Do not worry about them dude! They are just dickheads that have no intention of buying the machine and are only on Pinside to cause issues. To be perfectly honest I do not give a flying F*&k about their opinions. The only thing that gets to me is the constant BS giving all of us and the hobby a bad name. Pinball is all about having fun and what you like. I think you do that well. Jealousy is an extremely destructive emotion. Get rid of that shit right now! Be happy for everyone and what they have!

Quoted from Who-Dey:

Yep I agree totally. Some of the complaining no doubt is warranted but a lot of it is not. People can hate Stern all they want but I tell you what, if they go under this hobby suffers big time because they are making some killer games. Yes they need to improve in certain areas but they make the funnest game in pinball history IMO. There is one company that IMO their games suck so bad that it’s not even funny, but I don’t make it my job in life to try and put them out of business.

Quoted from pinballaddicted:

Just vote with your wallet. Stern are doing just great. Most of their customer base is not on Pinside so you have nothing to worry about. GOTG will be a killer game just like the rest of them. Stern whining has been going on for a long time. There is nothing you or I can do to change it. Let them piss and bitch and moan. Family and friends are the most important things in life and that is all that really matters to me. Everything else comes second.
Happy Flipping!
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