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Wonka is Coming !!! Who’s in?


By Beez

7 months ago



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#636 6 months ago
Quoted from Aurich:

It's just another pinball, like every other new pin that people work themselves up into a lather over. It hasn't even been revealed and everyone is already selling their collections to buy it? Take a cold shower, calm down.
I hope it's great, innovative, exciting, all that and a bag of chips. Some will love it, some won't care, many will think it's too expensive either way. Pinside's hype and bust boom is getting out of control though, people need to take it down a notch.

This 10X over....I hope JJ hits this out of the park, and this is everything it is hyped to be. But if that is the case, production of these machines will be around for a very long time...just look at WOZ and how long that title has gone. Take some time and evaluate for yourself, rather than riding the hype train, and most of all let someone else get all of the bugs worked out an discover the flaws that need addressed. This will not be a limited run, and history has show us that just about every new pin that has any content at all will have some sort of issue.

#640 6 months ago
Quoted from PinJim:

I kinda get what you're saying but also somewhat disagree. I think the anticipation for Wonka is well beyond a "normal" machine. Deadpool? Iron Maiden? They may have appeal to a small subset of the pinball community. I think Wonka has a much broader appeal. I grew up watching the movie (although to be fair, I wasn't born until after it was produced). Even my wife, who's 10 years younger than me, likes the theme. I've been watching the movie with my 3 and 5 year old boys in preparation for the machine. Yeah, it's kinda a big deal.
I've literally been waiting years for this title, hoping that JJP would be the one to produce it. And I suspect that I'm not alone. The movie has that perfect mix of imagination, darkness and emotion. I've always thought it would lend itself very well to pinball. And here we are.
I may sell a machine just to get Wonka. I'll probably still wait until after it's released (well, which is in 55 hours, lol). But, I am way more excited to see this release than I am Toy Story, etc.....

I understand the desire for the theme, but what I was saying has to do with the physical hardware more than anything. we have all lived very happy and hopefully lengthy lives without a Wonka pinball, and a few more weeks is not going to kill anyone. As I said, I am looking forward to the title as much as anyone, and I consider Ken and Bill good friends (Special When Lit Podcast) and I trust their honest opinions. We played a lot of pinball together, at private homes and at Stern, and they are probably more critical than I am. If they say it is a "game-changer", then I believe them. But with that said, I will wait for some time to see the streams, to hear the stories, flip the game, and figure out for myself if it is going to live up to the big expectations I have for it. If it does, I will buy one....but history has pretty much shown the first buyers do not necessarily get the best of the lot. There are lots of WOZ owners that wish they had waited for the 2.0 light boards.

#657 6 months ago
Quoted from KingBW:

Maybe ... Maybe not. Pirates was unexpectedly limited. We'll see what is said in less than 2 days. Guessing that the 2nd game reveal of the year is planned for Expo in October, which would mean a line changeover in late September.

With the Hype, and the fact JJP is way off from another title, this game will be on the line for a while. If it is half the game WOZ is, they would be carzy not to milk what they can out of the license. POC was limited because the demand fell off massively....the better this game is, the more demand there will be....the more demand, the longer it will be on the line.

(maybe I can pick up a steal on an AC/DC Luci Vault with all of the pin-dumping that will happen based on this thread! lol)

#659 6 months ago
Quoted from FarFromHeaven26:

Normally I would agree with every word here. However, personally there is an investment in this title, one I have dreamed about for many years, discussing it with anyone willing to listen. Yes there probably will be some issues, but I'll rely on code updates and some assistance rather than depriving my my family and I the glowing opportunity to secure a machine (and LE will do it for me) right out of the starting gate. I love and will love other titles but only WW would have me straying from any rational delay.

Until JAWS hits.......lol To each their own...someone has to be first!

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#711 6 months ago
Quoted from FrederikFrost:

I don't want to rain on anyones parade, but can someone tell me why Willy Wonka is such a good theme?? We know of Charlie and the Chocolate factory in Denmark, however it isn't something that anyone really would care about.
I feel the theme carries the same significance as WOZ, which in Denmark is about none. And I believe that the same rings true for most European countries.
Is it because I am out of touch with American interests, or could it be because the ones who decides these themes are from a generation before myself?

It's more about the constant quest to go back to simpler times and to re-live our childhoods. The desire to be a kid again can be driven by different things, but somewhere along the line we convinced ourselves that these toys are one answer to that quest. Just like with Dorothy and the magic in her red slippers, the ability go escape the world and to go back to a more innocent and simpler time is always with us....we don't need toys to go there....we just think we do. And I am not saying there is anything wrong with that if you have the means to buy the games.....I am as guilty as anyone. Aside from being from KS, it is part of the reason why I have a WOZ, and Wonka is the same to many people....it reminds them of their childhood, and is something they can relate to.

I often wonder what the world would be like if we were required to completely disconnect and be a kid at least one day a week. What would the world be like?

#749 6 months ago
Quoted from Aurich:

Theme matters. This is indisputable. Whether or not you're tired of pinball being dominated by licenses is something else. Here's what bums me out: almost no one here has seen the game, just some little hints. JJP doesn't skimp on toys and features, whatever you think of their games or prices, so excitement is fine, really. Be hype, it's okay.
But ... the hype is fever pitch because it's a familiar theme, and people are all in without seeing it. You're basically an idiot if you run a pinball company and don't use a license now. Even Spooky is doing licenses. And it's because of this phenomenon. We basically beg for the familiar. "I can't wait to hear my favorite movie quotes!" I pine for the unfamiliar, the surprise, the new thing, not the old thing.
I just wish there was a better mix of original game ideas too. After Dialed In didn't catch fire with people maybe JJP is done with trying, I dunno. The 90s pinball we all say we love was a mix. Most of the beloved games from that era like AFM and MM were original, and there were licenses that were still 'free and open' like Scared Stiff and Monster Bash. Those mixed familiar with new, not just staying safe.

Actually I think it has to do with it being too original. It's not really a 'new' game, it's the third in a series, it's basically a license. But people had their own visions of what it should be. They wanted it to be about medieval knights for instance, and don't like the monsters, whatever. It took a little different turn, and is getting blowback for it. It's hard to judge it on its own merits because it comes with the baggage of two previous games, and what people already expected because of that. Nevermind that the BK2000 backglass has a sci fi landscape and demonic castle on it.

Thanks, and I'm glad you like it. For all the issues I think the package evokes the films well, and I don't think it's a bad thing. I don't automatically hate licenses. But that said, so many of the nightmares around making that game were related to the restrictions a license brings. For every little thing it helped there was something it hurt. There's no question my experience with that colors my views of how games are made these days.

You are so correct on a couple of points here Aurich. We want what we know...what is familiar....what is comforting............cause the unknown is a very scary place. The big risk in going for the licensed theme is having to meet the expectations everyone sets in their own minds, or at least getting close. If a manufacturer swings and misses, there is hell to pay. Just at JJP Pirates......had JJP not shown the spinning disk toy, people would not have had that idea in their heads, nor would it have been a part of what they expected. When the toy was scaled down, everyone felt betrayed...even though they had never once flipped the game.

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