I typically do not really have strong opinions on sound packages, but this one is the proverbial "fingernails on a chalk board" to me every time I hear it play. I just can't. All I can think about when I hear those slot machine noises are old blue haired ladies chain smoking Misty 100's while pumping their social security checks into a 1 arm bandit. Lucky troll dolls are optional.

As they say, art is in the eye of the beholder and maybe WONKA's music fits that idiom. It played great at the PNWPB but I can't say if the sound, etc. is good or bad until I get mine and hear it in a better situation. But for me, the game is more than just sound and movie clips. Yeah, I hope they are good but I am confident the game will not disappoint me. When I play the game I am not engrossed in watching a movie which I can do on the TV just fine.The same type of negative comments about sound, music, and animation were raining down on the OKTOBERFEST string and I liked the play of the game so much that I went ahead and bought one and guess what...it is great including the things that people were ripping on it for. I am so glad I got it and I am staying strong on WONKA. JJP games are built great, and their coding is continually updated by JJP and, they are fun to play, beautiful to look at and 'family friendly'. So, I don't think WONKA is a risky purchase. But, to each his own.

please give it a rest with the constant personal name calling shit. Are you 6?

I agree that they really need to figure out the sound pacjkage. By far the worst con of the game.

JJP seems to really like that high end piercing crap. Hurts to play.

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Don't speak about me and you'll be better off. Understand that then move on. Best advice I can give you as I could absolutely care less about you or your opinion but your big mouth gets you in trouble.

Reread what I said, understand and then act accordingly. That's the answer.

Cool community.

Agree.
Im glad JJP lowered SE prices to drive location play so more opportunities to try before buy.

That’s because it has so much less to assemble vs DI or POTC.

Its has a good amount of stuffScreenshot_20190412-234501_Samsung Internet (resized).jpg...

They must have a new design for the magnets ... I can't pick out where the 7 magnets are in that pic. I know there are "non-dynamic" ones above each of the upper flippers, that leaves 5 more.

Magnets here?

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If you’re looking at the topside of the playfield, (I’m fairly certain) the other 5 magnets are are located in the center of each cluster of the ringed mini-lights. I marked all 7 locations on the underside of your picture.

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folks in the Pitts area (or close by) - Helicon brewery getting this game next week! FYI

After it’s stopped being made Wonka will get the love it deserves.

Now I have to head back to the unobtaneum Pirates threads and long for one.

I believe the top ones you have circled are the slingshot coils

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Yeah so there’s some stuff on the bottom, doesn’t compare on the top side!

I haven't seen a good video that really shows the magnet play yet. Is it just really subtle? The idea of multiple mini-magnets seems like a cool one, but I'm not sure how much they really affect things.

Yeah JJP's playfields make Sterns look super loaded,I see what your saying there's nothing there!

You either love Wonka or the music will drive you insane. It's supposed to be bubble gummy and it sure is, but holy cow it would drive me mad. Congrats to those in line. Looks like a really good shooter and as previously mentioned very cool they dropped the price compared to previous models.

LMAO!

Can’t wait to see some more streams and lord I hope they find a replacement for the voice actor in the game so bad, sounds like he’s falling asleep.

Cool place. Thanks for the heads up!

The voice over artist needs to get fixed.
So many actors and artists surprisingly work on the cheap. This also can be done pretty easy. Just need a script.
Im out here in Hollywood Jack. Ring me up and lets get this done!

If it was Stern code I would just change the voice tone and replace but can't do that on jjp. It's amazing that anyone in that company listened to that and said wow - great job.

Can’t wait to see the cartwheel and delivery pics. I thought that all the code we’ve seen was .4 so far - is that true?

June is almost over and no cartwheel from Jack for the barcades and operators.

I'm hoping for the dual Jack/Pat one.

It has to be getting close.

LTG : )
Disclaimer : Jack busting a bottle of champagne on the front bumper of the first truck leaving with Willy Wonka pins would be nice. The driver chasing jack around the truck-trailer could substitute for the cartwheel.

QUESTION: Is all the talk about how good JJP Pirates is, taken the thunder out of Wonka?

Sorta kinda did alittle bit.It’s
funny that before they announced they were stopping production all the talk was negative this negative that.And then it was ,man I want one 11500 before Christmas

I'm biased, David Thiel is both a friend and someone who I've had the pleasure of working with (what a master of his craft, true professional and also deeply passionate about what he does). And I'm sure he's glad he dodged the Wonka bullet. But man, JJP has gotta figure out what to do without him, because bad sound just murders a game, and good sound makes a game that's only okay seem pretty great. Try playing Tron with the sound off.

I dunno, I honestly think passion is more important than theme in some ways. If your team is passionate you make it work. Like JJP is kinda clearly run by engineers now, but look how that worked out for Pirates. A 'recycled' theme, but with a lot of really interesting tech put into it. And JP is another master of his craft, even with the license restrictions Pirates had he killed it, the LCD looks top notch. No actors? Oh well, still great.

Wonka just feels like no one really cared. That might sound harsh, but really, look at it. The art is the slot machine off-the-shelf package. JP's LCD work doesn't come close to what he's already shown he's capable of. The sound is bad. Sorry, but it is. And the layout might shoot well, but there are no toys or inventive things that bring the whimsy of the film to life. I just don't get the sense anyone at the company actually cared one whit about the license.

I just wonder how much of what we've seen was designed with large scale accessibility in mind.

Thiel being gone is colossal, as Pirates audio design is maybe it's strongest feature.

Hopefully we'll see if things shift from what you and others echo and fear here. I sure hope they do, but at this point, I can't argue much against these points....

I think the days of JJP loading their games with great innovative toys, and sound packages is over....they finally realized they need to make money.

Someone post pics soon.

I get that thought, but who's mass buying at these prices if it's stripped down? If they want to compete with Stern they need to compete with the Pro price too.

Okay, but same point as above. Who's paying the kind of money they ask for if it doesn't come with the full mechanical experience? I'm not gonna pretend I'd pay $12k for a game even if it was a Rube Goldberg machine under the glass, but there are people who will. I get the Premium Game For Premium Price argument.

But "good enough" game for more money? Once you pass the die hards and super theme lovers who's in?

I accept that you are just expressing your personal opinion. Granted, I haven‘t played the game, but my impression is the sound is a bit of an overdose of sappy, but this is the style of the music in the film. Maybe they could mix it up a bit more. In general pinball music is always repetitive and one tends not to notice it directly when playing, but it certainly affects the overall feeling. Do we know if the music in Wonka was created new or is it from the movie score?

If I recall correctly there was a lot of criticism of JJPPotC because original movie music wasn‘t used. Maybe opinions have changed now. Me personally, I don‘t want music in my games which I can get elsewhere. I definitely like David Thiel‘s work.

Extremely doubtful. jjPotC has a godly soundtrack that Wonka isn't fit to sniff the balls of in its current incarnation, and I don't see Wonka's sound package getting much better. jjPotC has a great all-around sound package while Wonka, well, Wonka doesn't. Not even close. The whole package is a failure of imagination on a game ABOUT imagination.

Don't fret. I feel pretty confident JJP will be re-running jjPotC LEs after GnR is out (or earlier if they cut Wonka short). Price may change a bit, but it's worth it. The game is just that good. Still earning double the next closest game (Deadpool Prem) on the route I help with, and some people traveling three hours round trip to play it since it's so rare in the field.

Shipping notice received...

Sure, everything is subjective, someone likes the sound package I'm sure. But it's not like I'm alone in the woods on this one, just looking back over the last page or two of comments you see this:

A fun game with an uninspiring art package is still a fun game. But if your sound is bad that's imo a big deal, because you hear it every time you play. If it's grating or irritating that's gonna kill your interest in playing.

Picking mine up this week!

I think art package is fine and I hope JJP got the sound message and has made changes.Im hoping this is a great pin!

Most folks, if they are honest with themselves, should be able to admit, the audio on Wonka, with what we've seen and heard, is pretty mediocre to downright bad. Slot machine sound effects, a terrible main narrator voice....there are problems.

I played Wonka in a completely quiet bar for about 30 minutes a few weeks ago (the pre-production LE that was floating around on the West Coast). Could hear the sound perfectly. Thought it was great. Definitely didn't stand out as bad or any worse than any other pins I've ever played. I actually remember enjoying it and thinking that the music didn't get annoying. The announcer fit in well with the game.

Which is about 3 days from NJ to you. What a great week !

LTG : )

fingers crossed!!!

So excited to be able to share this game on route for all the local players.

With any luck, shipping will be smooth and we will have it set up before the weekend!

We were very lucky to be one of the few coming in the first batch to the region! Big thanks to Chris and KingPin for being great with all things JJP.
He is a top notch distributor and we have bought all our JJP games through him because of it.

On top of it all, his customer service have been beyond good!

Chris is tops, that is for sure.

If these things are starting to go out, I hope I get the one for tech support ASAP, before any calls.

LTG : )

Impatiently waiting for Chris to fill his route operators first, so I can get my SE.......

There it goes!

https://www.facebook.com/JerseyJackPinball/posts/2617093361642577

I just got my confirmation mine is shipping tomorrow might get it by next monday.. yup yup ..

So happy for Jack and the JJP team. Congrats on hitting your promise date!!

Bravo, JJP!