I want a cheaper LE.
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I just hope JJP goes back to designs with upper or lower play fields that are innovative in the future. WONKA is fine the way it is, but I like the extra challenge in an upper play field like JJPOTC and WOZ. WONKA is a fun game to play with smooth shots. It seems that Pat stayed clear of playfield holes that would need cliffys to keep them from chipping. The gobstopper hole is not part of the wood play field. The saucer areas should be fine. The wonkavator VUK "might" need something, but only gets used once in a great while. I forgot to look at that more closely.

I’m really liking what I have seen so far. The game looks really fun! Only thing I wish it had, to build on the mini playfield point KingBW made, would have been awesome to have an upper playfield and have the river of chocolate tube be integrated as a vuk or something.

Anyhow not complaining, I’m loving it so far, can’t wait to play one!

That is a stupid "fanboy" statement making any further argument from you invalid.

LOL you also are spouting off fanboy shit instead of looking at it in reality talking about "all the glory". No for a $9500 LE I want all of the innovation, toys, and creativity that was put into POTC, WOZ, TH, and DI. For $7500 this one still can't even compete against Okt, ACHC, or any Stern Premium. The only thing this machine has going for it is the layout which looks amazing and fun but nothing else screams this pin is worth $9500 or $12,500. Those of you with unlimited money more power to you for spending it without a thought of reality.

Anyways I'm not going to sit here and argue with fanboys all day long. I gave my thoughts and pointed out the facts so I won't keep beating a dead horse and posting every 4th or 5th post like some do about how great it is.

"No Gene on the SE because it would cost too much" doesn't seem to make much sense. They're making 5,000 LEs with Gene on the side.

Let's say the Wonkavator costs $500 for sake of argument. Do you think the Gene decals make up the remaining $1,500 difference between the SE and LE, and even if it did, you think JJP would pass 100% of those savings on to SE customers? No.

Interesting that this "fanboy" aslo owns Three Stern games...one of which is IMDN that does in fact use cheap ass printed flat pastics with screws all over them.

Who is the fanboy? Get yourself a mirror.

I'm in the opposite camp. I want to play pinball on the main playfield, not on a small playfield in the back corner!

That was the main reason I got rid of WoZ. Too much mini playfield action in the back of the game where the goal is to keep the ball up there. Not for me.

The LE stands for Luxury Edition. Better?

Gary is that you or just a Stern fanboy?

HAHAHA! Try to come up with an original thought that joke is very old.

Did you forget about the other LE addins? Shaker, invisiglass, powder coating, etc?

So now your comparing a $5300 pro version of IMDN to a $7500 Wonka? I am no fanboy of any company I criticize all machines accordingly but usually only speak up about the ones that I am/was interested in. I'm sorry that bothers you but if you want to compare things at least keep the comparisons similar.

I wondered the same but when I check JJPs own website they call it the "Limited Edition"

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Yes. I don't understand why you're arguing with me.

Nope. Pre-orders were $7500. Just sayin’.

To add. We just don’t know if/what additional licensing cost that WB/Dahl Family charges for each image of Gene/WW that is put on the cabinet. He’s on the front around the door (SE/LE/CE) where most people will see him. For the SE, this is probably strategic positioning for an operator who typically would have WW inserted in a line of machines (thus limiting side visibility). This allows the player to see Gene’s image as they walk up to it and put their coins in.

It then logically makes sense to limit WW image on the SE to reduce licensing costs since JJP has to pass the licensing cost on to the buyer. I don’t believe the cost of the physical decal is in question of raising the price significantly. Also, it allows lower barriers to entry for buyers and compete with competitive pricing.

Disclaimer: Just making assumptions. I am not an expert in marketing or a lawyer in marketing licensing. I like to play one on TV or after staying at a Holiday Inn Express.

I don't want to speak for bigd1979, but I am guessing it is because in the only pic floating around of that area on an SE, it is so dark you can't see the hole in the backboard or the wireform coming out of it. On the LE and CE versions that area of the backboard is yellow and lit up, so you can clearly see it.

That being said...I believe you!

Arguing is pointless. Enjoy your games.

I don’t know how to rep people on this site or if that’s even a feature here , but well said Aurich !

Gene's face doesnt cost more. I highly doubt there is any cost related to that.

Some games hide behind great art. Awesome art and not much in terms of everything else. Standing in front of Wonka, it blows away the other games in the same price range in terms of gameplay, looks, code, and features.

But you're entitled to choose buy it or not. LE and CE look really nice. SE will earn well on location. There had to be a deterrent from the majority of games shifting to the SE. Don't hold your breath on that art changing. It won't and I don't blame them.

We'll see about that. If it comes to selling no game or an SE, we might see some changes. The art doesn't have to be as good as the others. It just has to be more than text. Stern doesn't have an issue giving good art to pro customers. I doubt I'm alone in the art camp. I will vote with my wallet: no art, no buy!

I have no clue if it does, but there is always the possibility that it does cost more
- JJP would have to deal with Dahl estate as well as the studio and
there are often some crazy hoops licensees have to go through

Just look at the restriction on using the word Brat

Just put something on the side of the standard.

Oh, that's right. If you buy the Prem/LE, they include action figures from the dollar store. My bad.

I like you gliebig. You speak of wisdom and truth.

Which dollar store can I find Iron Maiden figures? I'd buy those!

Munchkins.

It's on the corner of Gary & Nickel Dime street.

To me, you get the additional gameplay of an upper pf and more with the 2 upper flippers. Because the left one shoots all the way across the game and it's a great shot when it hits that little loop to the saucer hole (which probably will need a cliffy). It also hits the gum targets. The right one sends the ball up a ramp which is also more satisfying than hitting a target on an upper playfield. I really like what he did there.

The ball is on the ramps a lot on this game, which are long and curvy, so you also get that feeling of the ball being on a higher level quite a bit as well.

I couldn't agree more which is why I don't speak my opinion very often.

And we thank you.

I kid, I kid. I just couldn't help myself.

I'm in on LE. First JJP game.

Lord hear my prayer.... For better or worse I'm all in like the sucker buying that bridge.

You are wise man. JJP makes a great pinball for sure.

Yes side art is great if you have a game that is on the end of the line, but some games are jammed together so the art doesn't matter in that case for me. I'd rather have a stunning playfield to look at.

Has there been any mention as to when pictures of the actual version of the pin will be released, including the powder-coated wireforms to show a little more differentiation between models? I'd like to see what the LE looks like with the blue, and the CE with the red.

WOAH HEY NEW PINBALL!
I love pinball. This looks rad. Can't wait to play it.

Not to mention the CE’s playfield, apron, and PinBlades — all different than the LE. During the reveal, it was stated they were waiting on approval from Warner Bros. I believe they said it was going to be a couple of weeks.

Does anyone know where I can get a wonka flyer?

Agreed. That's why I said Wonka is fine, but didn't want to get too wordy. That JJPOTC ship though … That is a great use of an upper playfield and there is plenty of used real estate underneath it. Love that. Your description of Wonka above is spot on for the top half of the playfield and the upper flipper use. Having designs that are very different from JJP is good.

Huh? It was a question? Lol

what is a Bugatti?????

I got a viper or two...Does that count???

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I can't believe your license plate frames aren't powder coated.

19 mill Bugatti. Nice Vipers..

Sold to a happy Pinsider, who only buys CEs... Was that you, Frankmac?!

No sir! That’s a lot of money!!

I like the Collectors Edition, two thumbs up to Jersey Jack! But, I’ve always thought that it was going to be a purple pinball like Willy Wonka’s suit instead of red.

I think the crappy art on the SE is a great opportunity for someone to come up with a Radicals type art package, mirrored Backglass, blades, etc, not exactly Wonka but inspired by it and possibly much nicer art.

Or just enjoy the game the way it is. That's what I would do.

I think the red CE looks fantastic, breaks up all of the purple and goes well with Willy's hat.

The red in person is phenomenal looking. It may be JJP’s nicest trim yet.