Hi pinsiders
I am trying to help in a German Forum. The problem is : When stepping to next player / next ball: Smetimes a Drop-Down-Target-Bank is NOT resetted - Is this wanted (a Carry-Over-Feature) ? Or is it a fault ?

The "P-Add-Player" relay is involved. The "U-???" relay is involved - is it the "First-Ball-Relay" ? - is it in a bank ? - is it a Interlock-Type-Relay ? - is it a "simple relay with Self-Hold-Switch" ?

The Jungle Queen has a DDT-Bank on the left - and one on the right - at what time is resetted - which bank resetted ? (rules o play)

Please tell me, Greetings Rolf

Hi
thanks for writing - chet, the videos are good - the tutorial does NOT mention "will be reset during play" -> I assume the pin ONLY resets when stepping to next Player / ball (and at start-up).
Funny - my Number One "Far Out / Out of Sight" - in a tournament - the player has NEVER seen a Far Out / Out of Sight" - huuuh : http://pinballvideos.com/?v=702 they are talking about the rule set ...

Waddle and Joe clearly point out "reset only at stepping to next player / ball". My problem is: That german owner (I live in Switzerland, some 300 miles away) has not yet told me about the "U-???" relay. I show the snippet of schema I have (JPG). It is wired as my Far Out - but Far Out HAS A RELAY-BANK. (Far Out also ONLY resets the DDT's when stepping to next player / next ball.)

My Surf Champ has only 5 DDT's - it resets when stepping to next player / next ball. AND IT DOES RESET (while playing a ball) when I hit all 5 DDT's AND I hit all 5 Rollover-Buttons (thats nice - gives me points).

Joe, "NO carry-over feature on 2 / 4 player pins" - I agree on "later EM's WITH a Bonus-Ladder" (that means: I have never seen a carry-over on such ( Bonus-Ladder) machines).
I do NOT agree on older 4-player pins (having not yet a bonus ladder): I have a Jolly Roger: http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1314&picno=13945 - the rule-set is simple: A stepper is stepped 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 4 -> 5 -> 1 -> 2 -> 3 etc. - Each time I hit the lighted cannon ball in the middle of the playfield. The stepper also steps If I hit one of the three rollover-buttons on top.
As it steps: The lanes on top are lighted: Left-left -> Left-Middle -> Middle-Right -> Right-right -> ALL lanes are lightet (Bingo-Bingo) -> and again and again ...
I have "two bumpers lit" -> "Other two Bumpers lit " -> the first two bumpers again" -> the other two bumpers again" -> ALL bumpers are lit (Bingo-Bingo) -> and again and again ...
And it that precious Position 5 (Bingo-Bingo): Center targets gives 10 times value - on the left I can gain an Extraball. This feature Pos-1, -2, -3 ... does NOT RESET from player to next player / next ball ( So in a tournament I hope for Starting with Pos-4).

My first love "Shangri La": http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=2110&picno=23479&zoom=1 does reset the playfield-features (lights), Yes --- BUT: The Center target is actually "four targets - each time hit it turns 90 degrees" - the targets a "Red-1", "White-1", "Blue-1", "Star".
THIS TARGET(s) IS A CARRY-OVER - most valuable is "I see the "WHITE-1" - NO RESET.
Thanks, Greetings Rolf

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Hi Joe
The german man is talking about "U-First-UNIT-Relay" - I would like to see a common / simple "U-First-BALL-Relay". My Far Out has a Relay-Bank and the U-Relay" is in there - my Surf Champ has no longer the Relay-Bank (has AX-Relay etc.) - but the function on the U-Relay is the same (it has a "Self-Hold-Switch").

With that snippet I can say "WHEN 'U' pulls: S-Start-Relay activates the 3 banks / the P-Add-Player-Relay does activate the 3 banks --- BUT: HOW / WHEN is that mysterious "U-??? activated / de-activated ? If it is a UNIT: What logic is in / with that UNIT ?
(Another question: What is in the Sequence-Bank good for ?)
I have that snippet of the schema - and I would like to get a simple / clear answer (from him / from an owner.
Greetings Rolf

Hi Joe
The german man wrote:
If all targets in a target bank are hit and down: THIS Bank will NOT reset (until Game-Over - Start of a new game).
When it is a 2-player game: One player knocks down all targets in a bank -> the other player gets his ball - BUT the bank does NOT reset. The strange thing is: IF THE BANK IS NOT COMPLETELY DOWN - Changing to "next player / next ball": the bank DOES reset. - Conclusion: this is a "Carry-Over feature" - but I do not like it ...

He wrote about "U-First UNIT Relay" - he showed that snippet of schema. He has not given answer to "U-?????? question" - no description, no picture, no snippet of schema.

I hinted: Mount PARALLEL a Household lamp to the "Coil of a bank-reset" - do this on all three Banks. Have long wires -> through the open cash-door -> lay these 3 lamps onto the playfield-glass - play many games and watch: AAA - Everytime "a / the" bank does NOT reset: The lamp does NOT light-up. BBB - Everytime the bank does NOT reset: The lamp DOES light-up. CCC - SOMETIMES the lamp does light-up, sometimes not.
AAA is an wires / switches problem - BBB is a mechanical problem - CCC is awful ...
Greetings Rolf

Hi Joe
thank You for Your help. It looks as if "we two" are more concerned about the problem than is the "owner of the pin". Thank You for the snippet and the definition "U-First-Ball-RELAY" - So the "Carry-Over" theory is "over".
Greetings Rolf