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Groetchen 1941 Pikes Peak trade stimulator

By wayner

5 years ago


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    #1 5 years ago

    Just completed a full resto of this fun and beautifully engineered machine. The machine in original state was somewhat tired with multiple scratches, dilapidated mountain ball slides and score glass graphics and the mountain valley upright hangers had become detached from the top cover.
    The machine was completely disassembled. Pics provided to assist anyone on future resto of this machine.

    Metal components were cleaned, in some cases given the evaporust treatment, and new graphics applied.

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    The base, after replacing the rubber feet, and coin draw was sanded, filled, stained and cleared.

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    The housing was cleared of rust, sanded and sprayed-Krylon hammer gold.

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    The gumball dispenser was cleared of rust, cleaned and cleared to improve sanitation.

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    Coin mech serviced and along with gumball dispenser installed to housing.

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    Top cover sanded, sprayed and new graphics installed.

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    Operational mechanism installed in housing.

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    Top cover installed-screwed rod each corner.

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    Back cover resprayed and new graphics applied.

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    Completed.

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    #2 5 years ago

    Great looking!

    #3 5 years ago

    Great job! Where did you get all of the graphics? I've never seen anyone offering graphics for these machines before.

    #4 5 years ago
    Quoted from KenLayton:

    Great job! Where did you get all of the graphics? I've never seen anyone offering graphics for these machines before.

    Thks Ken. I purchased the name plate, mountain graphics and score glasses from Ed Smith a couple of years back (5 Balls for 1c and 8000 graphics done by a friend). At the time he traded on a 'virtual internet village' called Vintageville (some connection to Crow River I think) but it does not seem to now exist. I know he also had a stand at Chicagoland. I also purchased a NOS Challenger gun machine from him as he had purchased the whole of the inventory from the previous owner Johnny Frantz and dealt with other penny arcade stuff.

    #5 5 years ago

    Great job!

    1 year later
    #6 4 years ago

    I'm looking to buy one of these if anyone's selling

    8 months later
    #7 3 years ago

    Sweet!!!

    I just restored one myself and have a couple questions you might be able to answer.

    What are the “mountain valley upright hangers had become detached from the top cover” you refer to?

    I found an extra part inside my machine. Any idea if it is a part of PP, or just some rare part someone probably pulled their hair out looking for? Or a miniature sculpture of Munch’s ‘The Scream’?

    Before and after photos. I decided to return her to original colors, even though I liked the white and blue.

    Best,
    Mike

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    #8 3 years ago
    Quoted from Mikemolang:

    Sweet!!!
    I just restored one myself and have a couple questions you might be able to answer.
    What are the “mountain valley upright hangers had become detached from the top cover” you refer to?
    I found an extra part inside my machine. Any idea if it is a part of PP, or just some rare part someone probably pulled their hair out looking for? Or a miniature sculpture of Munch’s ‘The Scream’?
    Before and after photos. I decided to return her to original colors, even though I liked the white and blue.
    Best,
    Mike[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

    I don't know what part that is, but nice Pro Basketball

    1 week later
    #9 3 years ago
    Quoted from Mikemolang:

    Sweet!!!
    I just restored one myself and have a couple questions you might be able to answer.
    What are the “mountain valley upright hangers had become detached from the top cover” you refer to?
    I found an extra part inside my machine. Any idea if it is a part of PP, or just some rare part someone probably pulled their hair out looking for? Or a miniature sculpture of Munch’s ‘The Scream’?
    Before and after photos. I decided to return her to original colors, even though I liked the white and blue.
    Best,
    Mike[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

    Quoted from Mikemolang:

    Sweet!!!
    I just restored one myself and have a couple questions you might be able to answer.
    What are the “mountain valley upright hangers had become detached from the top cover” you refer to?
    I found an extra part inside my machine. Any idea if it is a part of PP, or just some rare part someone probably pulled their hair out looking for? Or a miniature sculpture of Munch’s ‘The Scream’?
    Before and after photos. I decided to return her to original colors, even though I liked the white and blue.
    Best,
    Mike[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

    The hangers, as I referred to them, are the vertical sections within which the mountain peaks slide and which attach to the mechanism covers on each side.

    I believe that part is a camlock locking lever from the back door.

    #10 3 years ago
    Quoted from cait001:

    I'm looking to buy one of these if anyone's selling

    I should update that I managed to find TWO somewhat locally. Between the two my friend assembled a fully working one, and then managed to make the second one work properly by improvising around the missing bits.
    Super fun machine.

    #11 3 years ago
    Quoted from cait001:

    I should update that I managed to find TWO somewhat locally. Between the two my friend assembled a fully working one, and then managed to make the second one work properly by improvising around the missing bits.
    Super fun machine.

    and very difficult to reach the top of the mountain!

    5 months later
    #12 2 years ago

    Finished mine went with raw coated metal and red to match the front plate. Also rigged the coin pusher for free play.

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    #13 2 years ago
    Quoted from Trizel:

    Finished mine went with raw coated metal and red to match the front plate. Also rigged the coin pusher for free play. [quoted image]

    looks great! But are you missing the playfield wires?

    #14 2 years ago

    cait001 Yeah I took them off I didn't really see the need. What is your stance on the wires?

    2 years later
    #15 3 months ago

    Whoah! Here I am in the middle stages of doing a resto on mine, and I stumble across this and 2 other older threads, hopefully just in time. I've been lugging mine around for several decades, after having been given the game (as a kid) by an arcade owner who had long previously retired it from active duty. As a kid, I jiggered the mechanism to bypass the coin op, but now can't find what I did that disabled the ball support plate return at the end of the coin op cycle. Spring is missing somewhere, but I can't find any holes or tabs suggesting the spring location. I'm also mid-disassembly, but can't figure how to remove the cross-shaft clips that hold the arms that actuate those ball support plates. Any assistance on either issue much welcome! Used @Oldgoat's evapo-rust to great advantage, @wayner's ball support slide photos helped properly locate another spring, and I think the finish line is in sight if I can avoid busting that cross shaft or clips during final disassembly! BTW, I'm not sure of the wire question, mine has none, don't see a place for them, and no one (but me) has touched that part of this one in about 70 years. Yes, I'm that old. 8-P

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    #16 3 months ago

    I cannot recall removing that particular wedge shown in pic below. It looks as though a sharp tap from the narrow end (?) would remove.

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    Some other pics.

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    1 month later
    #17 71 days ago

    huh. never got notice of your reply. Thank you! I was thinking the same about that funny split clip, I'll give it a try.

    Biggest problem is that the ball support plates retract fine, but do not return. A spring missing somewhere but I can't find any spring attach holes or evidence of where it should be. Vague memory from 70 years ago says maybe the spring was on the opposite side of that cross-shaft, over where the gum dispenser trip is, but??

    #18 66 days ago

    Careful observation now reveals the answer to 2 of my mysteries) The split clip is removed by slightly pinching the split end with pliers, then tapping with small hammer or the end of a screwdriver. the close observation in this case reveals that the clip is NOT centered on the cross shaft, it is offset to one side, so there is just a notch in the shaft on one side, and pinching the split end releases some of the pressure so it can be tapped out. This allows disassembly of the multiple levers that actuate the slide plates on one side, and the gum dispenser on the other.
    2) There is a design flaw in early models like mine which results in the slide plates not returning. There is a bent lever on the main arm (the one that hooks into the coin slide), and on mine, that lever is broken off. On Wayner's version, the bent lever is replaced with a much thicker angled lever that is riveted onto the main arm. See photo that reveals the stump of my broken-off lever and factory fix from his resto. Obviously this was found to be a weak spot, as the new lever is easily 3x thicker than the original. Elsewhere I saw a fix using just a long machine screw instead.

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