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Graphine Ceramic Coating Instead of Wax?

By Spyderturbo007

3 years ago

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    #1 3 years ago

    So we all use wax on our playfields, but what about using Graphine Ceramic Coating instead? I recently bought a car that I care about and have been watching detailing videos. Everything is all about Graphine Ceramic coatings these days and not wax. It’s supposed to be more resistant to scratching than traditional wax and last a lot longer.

    Has anyone considered trying that instead of wax?

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    #2 3 years ago

    I'm guessing this is a resounding "nobody has tried it" based on the flurry of responses.

    #3 3 years ago

    Never heard of it before.

    #4 3 years ago

    this could be interesting. it may work very well. Would love to see someone take one for the team and test it out.

    #5 3 years ago

    I got my car ceramic coated. It looks amazing.

    #6 3 years ago

    I have not tried it on a vehicle but seems overkill for a pinball machine.

    #7 3 years ago
    Quoted from jawjaw:

    I have not tried it on a vehicle but seems overkill for a pinball machine.

    It's a little more expensive than really good wax, but if it lasts 7 - 10 years on a car, you'd think it would last a lot longer than wax on a machine as well.

    #8 3 years ago

    Would the main benefit be not having to shop a game as often? Shinier?

    Wonder how it would effect future restorations and clear coat work?

    #9 3 years ago
    Quoted from Spyderturbo007:

    I'm guessing this is a resounding "nobody has tried it" based on the flurry of responses.

    This has been discussed at various times in the past. Do a search for “ceramic wax” and you should be able to find some previous discussion.

    #10 3 years ago

    A big problem is these boomers don't know the differences between waxes and some of the new technology on the market today. To make things even worse, unless you're fairly hardcore into the detailing scene, theres a lot of trickery going on. A lot of people don't know the difference between a "ceramic" spray, "ceramic" wax, ect, and an actual ceramic coating. Graphene is the new buzzword in the industry. Plus theres a lot of crappy products with great marketing that take advantage of these people (F11 topcoat is a big one. Garbage product). The huge strides in polymer sprays/coatings is another area to think about.

    I've dabbled with a bit of real ceramic coating on my machines but only on little spots here or there. I've also dabbled with some polymers. On cars I've put down true ceramics, true graphenes, and lots of polymers so I'm very well versed but I am a little scared to go all out with an actual pinball machine. A couple of my concerns include:

    1. proper surface prep. Graphenes and ceramics require extremely clean and prepped surfaces in order to correctly bond. Without stripping the entire top side down, polishing, and cleaning some more it would be hard to get the surface prepped enough. It would require nearly the amount of prep clearcoating a playfield would take.

    2. unknown properties with pinball machine clearcoats. Most likely it would be fine and certainly it would be fine with 2pac playfields but its still an unknown if it would play nice with whatever coating is on the playfield. Maybe it could soak into the wood in certain instances or simply not bond well.

    3. removal- with a quality ceramic or graphene, once the coating is past its usable life, most of the time it requires polishing to ensure full removal before you can reapply. I imagine the life of the coating would be severely dimished with a metal ball rolling around and metal particles flying everywhere. So essentially you're back to the first problem in a short while.

    4. Dimishing returns- Ceramics on cars and automotive applications are great. They look awesome, and hold up extremely well to the environmental abuse. They also are expensive and as I said before, a pain to install. Cars, while they certainly take a beating, I would argue that a pinball machine playfield takes a far worse beating. Despite what some deceptive marking campaigns would have you believe, ceramics aren't a silver bullet against scratches, dings, ect. They also require frequent maintenance to keep them lasting on a car. All things that aren't worth the trouble to install one of these types of coatings in a pin IMO. The coatings probably won't last much longer than traditional wax, will get hazed up, and you spent a lot of time money and effort to do it.

    Wax works well because its cheap, and pretty effective. I think there is room for improvements though. Thats why I think polymer sealants might be the answer compared to traditional wax if you want to try something different. I currently have a nice sealant on my DP playfield and it seems to be doing a good job. Much easier application than ceramic (although prep is still somewhat important) and even easier than wax. A lot of times its simply wipe on, buff off, just like wax except way less effort. It also won't gloop up posts, guides, ect if you're not super careful to get all the wax off. On cars, I barely ever toil with waxes anymore. Advances in technology have made them nearly obsolete except for some special purposes. Theres also a big difference in the can of mothers wax you buy at walmart vs some of the nice higher end formulations on the market that take advantage of these new technologies. Even still, a lot of time wax isn't worth it on cars anymore, but on pin it might still be the way to go.

    If somebody really wants to try it and give some real world results I would be interested in seeing what happens. I just want to make sure that person is well versed in the ins and outs of graphene/ceramics. In the end though, I just don't see the juice being worth the squeeze

    #11 3 years ago

    sounds like a lot of work and hassle for unknown results. I think wax is a safer bet

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    #12 1 year ago

    not to bump an old thread but would give my person experience and real time use on playfields. i would do it, The cheap $10 a bottle stuff works great for machines and is easily removed with nous, naphtha etc. i do a lot of older machines 80s. i even clay bar the clay bar the machine before i apply, i found that the ball swirls are greatly reduced and picks up ALOT of dirt off the mylar. This brings me to my next topic of using it on mylar, it will restore cloudy dull mylar to a close to factory gloss., cloudy ramps with micro scratches? fills those in nicely and clears them up, same goes with plastics. I take it a step farther and coat my balls in the coating and makes the games play way faster. my oldest machine i had went over a year with no change in gloss or slickness. Ill update this thread when i get a moment on my phone with a game im in the process of doing with before and afters.

    Edit added photos but have better in direct lights ones in the morning.

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    #13 1 year ago

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