If you could get the plastics scanned, we'd all love you forever . I bet you could have them all scanned at once at a place like kinkos or any other large print shop. Something like 300 or 600 dpi would be great. Maybe when you go to shop it out since the plastics would be off anyway. Great find and great game.

Thanks,
RC

Mine is finally in the basement where I can start to shop it.

Any update on the proto plastics? Since mine will be undergoing a full tear down soon, figured I'd check.

Gotcha. I'd say Planetary Pinball would be your best bet. They ended up reproducing the proto backglass, I believe.

Oh, yeah. Perhaps CPR in Canada would be willing to take on the project.

I've not seen repros yet. Perhaps you could repair yours with epoxy or resin?

Got the top side torn down mostly tonight. Very happy my upper playfield barely has any wear. I'll be going with lightning flippers and no rubber on the center post to make it really mean.

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For anyone who has successfully put LED flashers in GL, could you advise which specific resistors need to be removed, pretty please? Don't wanna screw anything up.

Got all my inserts swapped for LEDs. No flicker/ghosting. WOOHOO! Waiting on my Comet order to do the GI and backbox and my Marco order to mylar the upper PF and install the new lightning flipper bats. I'm thinking this one didn't get a ton of play with how nice the upper PF is. All the metal was tumbled for 2 days and came out gorgeous. Star posts were soaked in degreaser and look awesome. Can hardly wait to play.

Sorry the pic is from Snapchat. It's the only one I have of the game lit up after the HV repair and new back glass art installed.

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Can any other owners check something for me? When I hold my right flipper in game for the status report (as indicated on the apron), nothing ever happens. I've held it for 90 seconds and no status report. I've played the game a bit, scored, locked balls, then hold it to see status and it never happens. Verified the switch works in test mode, so not an issue there. Could this game just not support it? I'm on L4 software. Is there a setting maybe?

Thanks,
RC

Thanks. At least that is something. I get nothing. Hmm.

Later that night I tried again and got what you saw. Showed me the replay score. Seems to pop up and go away quickly. Guess I missed it before. All is well on my game. Phew.

Excellent news. This is one hard to find part.

Mine has a teeny hole burned through it from either the flasher or GI bulb underneath. I patched it easy and with LEDs there shouldn't be an issue going forward. They seem softer than later era ramps. I haven't seen a cracked one. Hopefully these can be done for those in need. A different color option might make me want to upgrade.

No there isn't a way to change this. I reached out to Soren regarding this specific feature request along with a couple other ideas I had. Like ways to make the player need to work both upper and lower playfield sections to put together big points. He is not interested in working on the game code because it isn't one he cares for.

He thinks it is an upper PF one trick pony. I can see that as it is currently coded, but I was trying to suggest things to make it more rewarding to play both sections. Maybe combos or after hitting both ramps, you are in double scoring for a few seconds or something. Maybe add a jackpot to multiball that has to be qualified by doing things on upper and lower to be collected. Things like that.

That's crazy. When Soren turned me down, I enlisted someone else and we are looking into it as well. More versions the merrier. Wasn't planning on saying anything til it was ready. I want to make it meaner. For locks, my idea was to hit the MB release target up top to light them down below. And have magna saves start at 0 and you have to earn each one and of course make that adjustable.

Agreed. It might make people avoid MB. Spelling LIZARD is used for earning magna saves also. Were you gonna keep that or make those earned a different way. My thought process was make you do something on the upper to earn something on the lower and vice versa. I want to make the game tournament friendly also and try to eliminate lock stealing. In stock code the game plays too long in a tourney setting.

Nice, congrats.

No. 2 ball MB is double scoring and 3 ball is triple.

I recall passing on the first one that I came across due the almost totally gone upper PF art. Never understood why Williams did factory mylar on the main PF, but not the upper area. When I found the one in my collection I jumped on it due to the nearly perfect upper PF even though the backglass was trashed. Had planned on getting the proto version anyway, so no big deal.

Yes and yes.

BGResto.com sells the glass.

Semi annual proto plastic update check. Happy Friday the 13th all.

Same here with my GL and other sys11 games. Kept the 89 flashers incandescent. Plenty bright and way more cost effective.

Odds are pretty bad. Upper PF area was not factory mylared, so if you have it up there it was done afterward. How bad is it? If it's just cloudy, you can polish it up nicely with a buffing kit and novus or meguiar's compounds.

Can anyone that has purchased the BGResto glass advise if it is the same thickness as the original? Hoping to avoid buying new trim pieces and lift channel.

Got a video? That would be cool to see/hear.

cough - any progress on proto plastics? - cough

Thanks for the reply. I can wait patiently. It's a favorite in the gameroom. I ordered the BGResto proto glass finally. I had a translight in it for the last year and wanted the real deal now.

I can in a few hours when I get home.

Oh, yeah, I recall you lent that out to Clay and Steve.

Here's the knocker. Sorry for the delay.

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As upper pf wear goes, that one is not bad at all. I've seen many examples with no art up there at all.

Totally understand. We want what we want. It's your time and money, so I get not wanting to settle for a game that won't meet your expectations. Really hope you find one. I know you have been on the lookout for a while.

Might want to check out Larry's Xpin discount thread for your displays.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/xpin

I just got my tracking number from BGResto for my proto glass. Took 3 months and change. I can sell my proto backglass translight if you are looking for a cheap alternative. You'll have to source a glass or plexi. I went this route until I could afford to drop the money on the BGResto. When I got my game the backglass was missing half the art.

BGResto glass arrived yesterday. Beautiful. Since my game is down due to a melted flipper coil, I'm waiting to install it. While I'm in the backbox, I'm fusing the 2 bridges that weren't fused at the factory, as well.

Would anyone mind snapping a clear pic of your upper left flipper coil wiring for me? I'm about to replace this thing for the second time and I don't wanna kill another coil. Thanks much.

RC

I really appreciate that. Might you have one where the diode is visible to make sure I put the band on the correct side? I'm 99% sure, but I just wanna be 100% before I finalize and power up.

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That's actually the auction I got the 2nd coil from. All back together and working fine now.

Thanks.

If anyone is interested in a prototype artwork translight, I'll be selling one. Looking to get 70 shipped. If you have a crappy bg or want a proto glass on the cheap, this is for you.

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Rusty plans on it, but he's a busy guy. He plans to have the whole set repro'd. Looking forward to it.

Now is the perfect time to get these babies going. I've found that I've actually gotten a lot done with my collection, that I had put off, during this craziness.

Looking forward to the vid. I like to watch the Pinball Mayhem youtube stuff here and there. He's got some nice games.

I hear you sir. I know a lot of folks dealing with the same staffing issues. We just gotta poke you every now and then on them proto plastics. We're waiting with cash for you (and PPS cut lol).

Did anything come of this? The guy I had looking into it is so busy, he hasn't had any time.

Switch stuck closed, shorted diode on the coil, shorted transistor on the mpu. It will be in the special solenoid section because GL slings are not cpu controlled.

RustyLizard Just saw your video on the production vs proto games. Nicely done.

Definitely informative. I'd say I like the production sounds better. Any further thoughts on getting the proto plastics into reproduction?

With stock configurations, the game plays too long and is very samey since the major points come from keeping it up top. This is why the upper playfield is seriously worn on alot of them. I envisioned a broader ruleset and had a programmer friend interested, but he is always so busy with his day job. Not knocking it, since I did own one for years, but these things are why I believe it isn't rated higher. Fun layout with great art (the Faris art, anyway), but just not enough there, rules wise.

I would call it a golden yellow.

Toppers don't need to reiterate the name of the game, guys. It's right there, below it.

I don't know if fixing the game while inspecting it is best for your chances of getting a deal.