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Gottlieb System 3 Flipper/Grommet Question

By Kyrosfear

5 years ago

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#1 5 years ago

I recently purchased my first pin, a Gottlieb Waterworld. I ordered the flipper repair kit from PBR and finished rebuilding both flippers the other night (thanks for the guide Vid). The kits do not come with rubber grommets to cushion the plunger link from hitting the mounting plate as it retracts from the coil, and the game's manual does not show or reference one in any place that I can find. The mounting plate has a hole in it where it looks like the little rubber plug would fit right in, but neither flipper actually had them installed when I bought it, so I do not know that for sure. I asked a buddy of mine who has several William’s pins about it and he told me that all of his have them (shown in the picture below).

So, my questions are, is there supposed to be a plug mounted in this hole? If so, would a standard B/W one fit it? Thanks in advance guys.


#2 5 years ago

Specifically Kyros is speaking of this piece -- the stop bracket that has an open hole in it:

All Williams have a rubber grommet to let the nlylon hit it instead of the metal bracket. In the above case, PBResource supplied the fiber "hat" shaped links. I know some Gottlieb's used a square nylon link that directly impacts the metal, but in this case the fiber and the pivot would be impacting the metal at the hole.

I only know Bally/Williams so am of no assistance. Hopefully someone with Gottlieb knowledge can shed some light on this.

#3 5 years ago

Call and ask PBresource if you get no reply here.

#4 5 years ago

Sys3s don't use this grommet - one of the reasons why the flippers feel so "clunky".


#5 5 years ago

And adding the bumper/stop will greatly reduce the overall travel of the flipper.

#6 5 years ago
Quoted from SealClubber:

Call and ask PBresource if you get no reply here.

Thanks for the advice SealClubber.

Quoted from viperrwk:

Sys3s don't use this grommet - one of the reasons why the flippers feel so "clunky".

Okay, that certainly clarifies why mine did not have them already, why the kit does not have them, and why they are not shown in the manual. Thank you.

Quoted from CactusJack:

And adding the bumper/stop will greatly reduce the overall travel of the flipper.

That makes sense. So is the best answer to just leave them as they were designed, or are there any mods guys have done in the past to improve this setup? My plan was to try out some B/W ones in there, but that is a double edge sword if it hinders the performance of the flipper.

Thanks again guys, I appreciate the insight.

#7 5 years ago

Very interesting timing for this thread. A friend of mine had always said his biggest knock against Gottlieb System 3s was the extra travel the flippers had. Somehow he wound up with a Barb Wire and told me recently that he went with a different plunger and link to limit the travel. I tried his solution a few days ago and it didn't work for me since it shortened the travel too much IMO. I had some old grommets around (I think from Data East) and plugged the holes with them. Voila, the travel is shortened and there's still plenty of oomph to make all the shots on my World Challenge Soccer. I found it pretty difficult to work the grommet in, but in the end it was worth the effort.

#8 5 years ago

Well, I put a couple of B/W in there and they work perfectly. Definitely makes the action of the flipper a lot smoother. Thanks for the help guys.

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