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Gottlieb System 1 - Top Line of Score Displays Missing


By ita47

25 days ago



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#1 25 days ago

I have a Gottlieb Totem and the score displays for players 3 & 4 are missing the top segment. I have swapped the displays with player 1 & 2 and had the same issue so it is not the displays themselves. Can anyone help me figure out how to fix this?

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#2 25 days ago

Connector at the CPU board - probably a bad (worn out or contaminated) contact at the "a" segment.
The "a" segment is at CPU connector J2 pin 13. If not bad contact, follow wire to displays and look for break.
This segment is driven by Z17, Hopefully not a bad Z17 as it is obsolete but not impossible to find.
But since characters are correct (other than the "a" segment) then the spider IC at CPU board U6 is OK (whew!).

If wiring looks good: With the machine turned OFF(!) -- pull plug from J2 and reinstall. If symptoms change then the connector needs to be repinned.

With these Gottliebs - always suspect connectors first.

#3 25 days ago

The first step I would take is clean off the metal finger contacts on the PCB with a pink rubber eraser. They tend to have a build-up of tarnish and grime. Half the time, that prevents a good connection.

#4 25 days ago

I have pulled J2 off several times and reseated it but that didn't change anything. I can replace that connector at pin 13, but do you count from the top down or bottom up?

#5 25 days ago
Quoted from ita47:

I have pulled J2 off several times and reseated it but that didn't change anything. I can replace that connector at pin 13, but do you count from the top down or bottom up?

There are small numbers near the first and last pins on the PCB

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#6 16 days ago

Thanks again guys for the help. I’ve done more checking and I believe my Z17 chip is bad. I have continuity from leg 13 on the chip Z17 all the way to the displays so it isn’t a bad connection. Then I got my brothers logic probe and leg 13 reads low, no pulsing like the other legs. I found some new old stock chips on eBay and ordered them. I should have them Monday. Hopefully that will fix my display issue.

#7 10 days ago

I finally got my replacement chips for Z17 today. I installed it tonight and my player 3 & 4 now have the top (a) segments, so it was a bad chip after all. It was tough to get the old chip out, but I finally succeeded. I installed a socket so if it ever happens to fail again it will be an easy swap. Thanks again to G.P.E. And Force Flow for you help. I am thrilled to get this fixed.

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#8 10 days ago

So it seems system1 displays and the chip that drives them are the same as the ones for system80, is that correct? I thought the system80's were built differently but it appears to be not so.

#9 9 days ago
Quoted from RWH:

So it seems system1 displays and the chip that drives them are the same as the ones for system80, is that correct? I thought the system80's were built differently but it appears to be not so.

I couldn't tell you because I don't have any system80 games. Maybe someone with more Gottlieb experience can chime in and answer your question.

#10 9 days ago
Quoted from RWH:

So it seems system1 displays and the chip that drives them are the same as the ones for system80, is that correct? I thought the system80's were built differently but it appears to be not so.

Yes -- same display decoder. 7448 or 74LS48.

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