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Gottlieb Sys 1 Driver board 5V

By Intraframe

2 years ago



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#1 2 years ago

I have Gottlieb System 1 Close Encounters machine. I've been having problems with the game not booting. The score and ball display comes on, but game over light stays on. I also do not hear any clicking of the tilt or game over relays like on typical startup. Upon some further testing, it seems like the driver board is not getting 5v. When I test across C1 cap, I am only getting 0.8V. I get the same reading between the last 2 pins (red and black wire in the attached picture) on the A3-J1 connector. The interesting thing is when I have that connector removed from the driver board, I do get 5.2V across these pins. Has anyone seen this before? Apologies in advance, this is my first time working on a pinball machine

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#2 2 years ago
Quoted from Intraframe:

The interesting thing is when I have that connector removed from the driver board, I do get 5.2V across these pins. Has anyone seen this before?

Sure, when something that uses the 5v on the board is shorted/bad. Lots of chips that would be suspect there.

#3 2 years ago

there is an easy test to find shorted ICs. Do this on the driver board (off and on the bench)
1. Set DMM to diode test
2. Put red lead on ground
3. On each IC put the black lead on each pin. You should get .4 to .7 on every leg
4. The ground leg will of course be shorted
5. The 5V line often gives a different value
6. Any shorted pins compare to the schematic to make sure it wasn't on purpose.

More info: https://pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=General#Testing_an_integrated_circuit
There is also instructions to test transistors on that page. About the only thing that can't be tested in circuit on a system 1 driver board is capacitors.

#4 2 years ago

I followed that guide for testing ICs and did some test from Clay's guide (http://www.pinrepair.com/sys1/#testtrans).

I tested all the pins on Z1 to Z9. They were all showing normal readings between around 0.62 to 0.72 (except for pins 1, 9, and 16 on some chips).
I also tested all the transistors. The only one that stood out was Q25. I got 0.63 between the collector and base, but an 'OL' reading between collector and emitter. Is it safe to say this is the issue? It just does not seem like this component is connected to the 5V bus like the other chips.

I summarized all my readings here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ca0wSWK5gOS6kstfod-e2SkbAOgYrrr4UXnc4hYhBUk/edit?usp=sharing

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#5 2 years ago

I'm not sure what 0L means on your DMM. If you have continuity between the collector and emitter on that transistor that could be a problem.

#6 2 years ago

The OL means open loop. Which means infinite resistance or no continuity. So the transistor has 1 low resistance junction and 1 open junction and should be changed.

#7 2 years ago

So I was reading this thread https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/gottlieb-count-down-losing-solenoid-power-q-relay

I repinned the wires for the 5V and GND going between the CPU and driver boards. The game now boots properly and most things are working.

Whats not working:
1. Hitting the start button on the front panel doesn't kick the ball into the shooter. But if I manually move the outhole kicker, I can play as normal.
2. Score displays intermittently turning off
3. Speaker is constantly on and sounds really loud. I had to unplug it from the sound board, it is too annoying

I figured the first thing to do is just repin everything as the guides say and see what that does resolve. I thought repinning was only necessary for damaged or corroded pins, but I can see the difference now with new pins vs the old in the connector housing.

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