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Gottlieb Sure Shot - Bonus Count Issue

By ChipS

3 years ago


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#5 3 years ago

A bulb tester would confirm whether or not the Z relay is sticking on its own. You could connect at 6 volt bulb (e.g. a #44 or #47) across the Z relay coil solder lugs and then watch to see if the relay is ever active when the light is off. Or you might unplug the game while the Z relay is on to see if it stays on.

If it stays on without power the relay may be magnetized. Is there a brass washer between the base of the relay coil and the relay frame? And is the coil mounted to the frame with a brass bolt?

/Mark

#8 3 years ago

Your photo shows a copper band around one end of the coil intended to reduce buzzing. There should be a brass washer on the other end, between the coil and the frame, with the brass bolt passing through it. It's intended to keep the coil off the frame and to keep the frame from getting magnetized.

Quoted from ChipS:

the bulb would pulse on and off the correct number of times, but the coil continued pulling continuously, rather than pulsing along with the bulb.

If the coil stays activated once the power is cut the circuit is fine but there is either a mechanical or magnetic reason the armature won't relax. With the power to the coil cut the spring should snap the armature back to its rest position.

If you can't find a mechanical reason for the binding (switch out of alignment, armature binding on its post, etc.) the armature and frame may be magnetized.

As an experiment you can see if putting a piece of paper or two (or tape) between the coil and armature changes anything. If the frame isn't overly magnetized the thickness of the paper can sometimes keep the armature far enough away from coil to let it work properly.

Ultimately you may want to read up on demagnetizing techniques or look for a replacement frame and/or armature.

#13 3 years ago
Quoted from TimMe:

Your particular style of coil bobbin does not use a brass spacer washer at the back of the bobbin.

I wondered about that myself so I dug a little deeper:
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I expected the bobbin type to correlate with the coil number but it appears that that's not the case. Apparently the bobbin type evolved away from the brass washer (left) in favor of the plastic cover (right) over time. The newer type was probably cheaper (to manufacture and to assemble) and more reliable since the washer couldn't be incorrectly installed outside of the frame.

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