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Gottlieb Mars - Correcting a Mistake, and TP Voltages

By Knxwledge

3 years ago


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#6 3 years ago
Quoted from Knxwledge:

It's looking like bad transformers! Unless someone has a way to test them differently to make 100% sure

Just passing through.
Looks like you measured the transformer voltages with your black meter lead on ground?
AC voltages out of the transformer need to be measured across the transformer windings, i.e one multi-meter lead on one side of the winding, the other multi-meter lead on the other side of the winding.

So, to measure the 10VAC output, one meter lead goes on transformer lug 3, the other meter lead on lug 7.
60VAC across lugs 8 and 9
12VAC across lugs 16 and 17

The centre tap windings at lugs 10, 11, 12 actually has DC applied to the centre lug 11 downstream at one of the circuit boards. Measure the DC voltage at lug 11 with the red meter lead, black meter lead on ground.
Then measure the AC voltages between lugs 10 and 11, then 11 and 12.

Ditto for the centre tap windings at lugs 13, 14, 15 respectively. Lug 14 also has DC applied to it downstream.

#10 3 years ago
Quoted from Knxwledge:

Dc voltages at the fuses with black lead on cabinet ground:

The voltages at the fuses are on the AC side before the bridge rectifiers, measuring them with respect to ground on DC isn't how to test them.
You can check them with the power on by setting your multi-meter to AC voltage and put a meter lead on each side of the fuse. You should read zero volts.
Better yet, measure AC voltage at the fuse with respect to the opposite winding lug at the transformer.

When you put your meter on resistance mode and put both probes together, do you read zero ohms? probably not. The discrepancy on that R12 resistor is likely just your meter not being calibrated. When wirewound resistors fail, they usually go open circuit.

Which 47uF capacitor blew?

Quoted from Knxwledge:

Dc voltages on the BRs

To measure the DC voltages at the bridges, set the multi-meter to DC voltage, black meter lead goes on the "-" bridge leg, red meter lead goes on the "+" bridge leg.

#13 3 years ago
Quoted from Knxwledge:

I have another wirewound resistor of the same rating under the PF that needs to be replaced. It's testing 2.4ohm.

I don't see any wirewound resistors on the playfield schematics (maybe I just missed it). Where is this resistor? Is it also supposed to be a 0.33 ohms? Unsolder one leg and remeasure it to get its real resistance value so the reading isn't affected by other circuitry.

If you're going to replace wirewound resistors with metal film, be very careful to get the wattage rating same or higher on the replacement. Note ceramics are generally larger in size so are better capable of dissipating the heat.

Quoted from Knxwledge:

Fuses tested on AC:
F2: ~55
F4: 6.3

Well those readings indicate fuse F2 is open circuit and F4 is suspect - or there's bad connections on the fuse holders.

Quoted from Knxwledge:

Is the second reading I got when testing Q3 suspect, or is it okay?

Your opening post says you've got 5.1V at TP4 on the power-supply board which is the output of Q3 and is about correct. Is this not the case anymore?

Quoted from Knxwledge:

J1 pin 1: 9.5v (labeled as 12vdc source)

9.5V sounds low to me which indicates the big capacitor across the 12V bridge isn't doing its job.

BTW, what exactly is the issue you're trying to sort out right now?

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