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Gottlieb King Pin Replay 10 cent One Play to Start Game

By redrock

2 years ago



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    #1 2 years ago

    My King Pin is working 100%. The 2nd chute is 25 cents and set for 3 plays. The 1st chute is 10 cents for 1 play. I have gone through the schematic and both work correctly. The issue is that the 10 cents subtract 1 play (25 cents adds 3 plays).

    If there are no credits and a dime is used, the game starts and the zero credit stays zero. But, if there are credits and a dime in inserted, the credit decrease by one and the game starts -- but there was credits already available. Thus the player loses one credit; the dime is a waste of one credit if there are credits already.

    Is this the design? And why?

    #2 2 years ago

    I don't have the schematic for this machine, but earlier machines with just a single nickel chute work the same way (if replays are on reel and a nickel is inserted, the replay reel steps down).

    #3 2 years ago

    I agree. Many Gottliebs have this design flaw (or "revenue enhancer") for the single-game pricing.
    .................David Marston

    #4 2 years ago
    Quoted from redrock:

    Is this the design? And why?

    Yes, it's by design. You were supposed to be smart enough not to do this. The justification was that no one would put money into a machine that already had credits on it. The technical reason for this is that it's less expensive to have a circuit that always takes off a credit on game start.

    That said, it's interesting to note that Gottlieb changed the behavior of the start circuit on their EM games several times over the years.

    Some machines, when you inserted a coin for multiple credits, would simply put that many credits on the replay unit.

    Some machines, when you inserted a coin for multiple credits, would actually start a new game, and also add one less than the total credits purchased onto the replay unit.

    And, some machines did have a safety switch that prevented the loss of a credit when a "direct start" coin was used to start a new game. This safety feature is usually found on multi-player games, rather than on single-player games. That's because multi-player games often had a "credit button" relay which made it cost-effective to only take off credits when the credit button was used. So GTB knew this was the better behavior, and implemented it when it was easy to do so.

    In any event, you do need to look at the schematic of each individual game to see what start circuit behavior you are dealing with. But it's usually a pretty safe bet that if you're on a single-player Gottlieb EM, it's going to take a credit off for each game start, regardless of how that game start is initiated.

    - TimMe

    #5 2 years ago

    Thanks everyone for the input.

    On a similar note my other Gottlieb -- Groovy -- works with the 3rd chute 25 cents. But since it doesn't have a 2nd chute, the 1st chute will not give me 1 play for 10 cents, only 2 plays. This is no problem but I can't find a 10 cent - 2 plays printed coin entrance plate. (I add the XX and AS relays.)

    Any suggestions where to find one? No, PBR doesn't have one and an internet search came up zero.

    #6 2 years ago
    Quoted from redrock:

    the 1st chute will not give me 1 play for 10 cents, only 2 plays.

    How about wiring that coin switch directly to the S relay to get 1 play per coin? And have you checked all the adjustment plugs related to pricing?
    .................David Marston

    #7 2 years ago

    Yes, I have checked the plugs but I will give the S replay suggestion a try.
    Thanks for the help.

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