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Gottlieb Ice Review Skater Lights During Play


By The--Who

11 months ago



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#1 11 months ago

I read the following statement on the Internet Pinball Database regarding Ice Revue:
"Backglass light animation (spotlights rotate on ice skaters as playfield hole values change)"

My 6 smaller skaters all flash at the end of a game, then go out whenever a new game starts and stay off during the game. The only skaters that stay illuminated during game-play are the male skater with the lady on his shoulder and the large female skater in the lower left corner of the back glass.

The IPD statement has me confused. Should there be something going on with the skaters on the back glass during play?

#2 11 months ago
Quoted from The--Who:

I read the following statement on the Internet Pinball Database regarding Ice Revue:
"Backglass light animation (spotlights rotate on ice skaters as playfield hole values change)"
My 6 smaller skater all flash at the end of a game, then go out whenever a new game starts and stay off during the game. The only skaters that stay illuminated during game-play are the male skater with the lady on his shoulder and the large female skater in the lower left corner of the back glass.
The IPD statement has me confused. Should there be something going on with the skaters on the back glass during play?

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#3 11 months ago
Quoted from The--Who:

I read the following statement on the Internet Pinball Database regarding Ice Revue:
"Backglass light animation (spotlights rotate on ice skaters as playfield hole values change)"
My 6 smaller skaters all flash at the end of a game, then go out whenever a new game starts and stay off during the game. The only skaters that stay illuminated during game-play are the male skater with the lady on his shoulder and the large female skater in the lower left corner of the back glass.
The IPD statement has me confused. Should there be something going on with the skaters on the back glass during play?

Now that I read it for the twentieth time, it may mean the spotlights are on them when you hit all six targets and the two lower holes change from Special, 100, or 200 points. I don't get all 6 very often and when I do, I'm too busy concentrating on the play field and not looking up at the back glass......lol. Will have to check it out next time.

#4 11 months ago
Quoted from The--Who:

I read the following statement on the Internet Pinball Database regarding Ice Revue:
"Backglass light animation (spotlights rotate on ice skaters as playfield hole values change)"
My 6 smaller skaters all flash at the end of a game, then go out whenever a new game starts and stay off during the game. The only skaters that stay illuminated during game-play are the male skater with the lady on his shoulder and the large female skater in the lower left corner of the back glass.
The IPD statement has me confused. Should there be something going on with the skaters on the back glass during play?

I own the game and I wrote that a long time ago. I'm sorry I was vague or incomplete. I played a few games with the glass off just now to verify what I am about to say. I apologize again if I now over-explain. I didn't remove my backglass but I can say that each of the six small backglass skaters has two bulbs, one flasher and one steady.

You will notice on the backglass, on the left side are three small skaters and, from top to bottom, the top one stands in a red circle, the middle one stands in a white circle, and the bottom one stands in a blue circle. Ditto for the right side.

At start of game, all six circles are dark. During play, once you hit all 6 standup targets, the two kick-out holes light up. At this time, two of your six backglass circles will light up steady and not blink. One on the left side and one on the right side. Which two circles light up steady at this time depends on the lit hole values:

Left hole special and right hole 100 = left skater in red circle, right skater in blue circle.
Left hole 200 and right hole 200 = left skater in white circle, right skater in white circle.
Left hole 100 and right hole special = left skater in blue circle, right skater in red circle.

Maybe if Gottlieb had used blue inserts for the 100 point values we would see better the color correlation.

Until the end of the game, as the lit hole values change, so do the lit pair of skaters on the backglass according to the pattern above.

If you do NOT light the holes, then yeah your skaters stay dark until game over when at that time only the flashers all light up behind each one. Then your six skaters flash independently of each other but simultaneously, if you know what I mean.

But, if you DID light the holes during play, thus lighting a pair of skaters during play, then at game over, in addition to the six flashing bulbs, the last pair that was lit steady will stay lit steady along with its flasher flashing. So, at game over, two of your six skaters will have both a steady lamp lit and a flasher lit.

The lit hole values only change when the motor turns. I didn't look inside my game tonight but, IIRC, the values are controlled by changing states of two side-by-side relays controlled by the motor.

The large skating couple in dead center and the large lady in lower left are GI and will always be lit. Therefore, if you've never noticed your six small skaters ever lighting during game play, either you suck at playing this game to have never hit all six targets (joking!) or maybe your steady bulbs are all fried or missing, or maybe the relays and/or motor contacts ain't working in concert, or some other electrical problem.

I'd be curious what you find out.

Jay

#5 11 months ago

i_p_d_b
Now that description sunk in to my thick skull. You can never over-explain things to me, especially when it comes to pinball. Your description was not vague or incomplete, rather it had more to do with my reading comprehension. I counted 6 flashing skaters and in my mind I correlated them to the 6 targets, thinking one should light up when a target is completed.

Yes, I do suck at the game, but that is what makes it a challenge and one of my favorites.......lol.

Checked my machine out and everything is lighting on the back glass as it should when all the target are completed.

Thanks for you your help Jay!!!!! It may have been years before I looked up at the back glass to notice what was going on besides the score.
Denny

#6 11 months ago

It's a very subtle, yet satisfying, feature. You don't understand it until you have a good game and they start lighting up.

#7 11 months ago
Quoted from MikeO:

It's a very subtle, yet satisfying, feature. You don't understand it until you have a good game and they start lighting up.

I always thought it was odd that the back glass was so colorful when finished, but did nothing during the game. I have to concentrate on the play field when I get all 6 targets, so if I would not have read the IPD listing I would never had know the difference.

#8 11 months ago
Quoted from The-Who:

i_p_d_b
Now that description sunk in to my thick skull. You can never over-explain things to me, especially when it comes to pinball. Your description was not vague or incomplete, rather it had more to do with my reading comprehension. I counted 6 flashing skaters and in my mind I correlated them to the 6 targets, thinking one should light up when a target is completed.
Yes, I do suck at the game, but that is what makes it a challenge and one of my favorites.......lol.
Checked my machine out and everything is lighting on the back glass as it should when all the target are completed.
Thanks for you your help Jay!!!!! It may have been years before I looked up at the back glass to notice what was going on besides the score.
Denny

You're welcome. Ice-Revue was the second game I bought while in high school in 1974. My first one, Seven Seas, had no Specials so by gosh my next game was going to have Specials!

There was a while when most others would say they did not like Ice-Revue very much but I never cared what anybody thought. I like this game very much. My personal best is 4,093 points. I bought the game from a local distributor who had stripped the coin door but back then you could buy new Gottlieb parts from Mountain Coin for the 60s games. I bought a cashbox and coin saddles brand new, etc. How cool was that, back before the hobby happened? Bought a bunch of brand new red replay buttons, too. I don't know what I was thinking except I thought they were cool, I guess. I still have them in the drawer. LOL.

Quoted from MikeO:

It's a very subtle, yet satisfying, feature. You don't understand it until you have a good game and they start lighting up.

You know, you are right, now that I read you say that. Subtle, yet satisfying. I do notice them lit during Specials and enjoy them.

I tease my younger brother by asking him what the heck will he do with all of my games when I'm gone. He says he'll keep one or two that had meaning to me and sell the rest. One would be Ice-Revue, and I know he'll like it too because he played it as a kid when I had it and Seven Seas in my bedroom.

#9 11 months ago
Quoted from I_P_D_B:

back then you could buy new Gottlieb parts from Mountain Coin

Was that Mountain Coin in Denver?

#10 11 months ago

Y

Quoted from I_P_D_B:You're welcome. Ice-Revue was the second game I bought while in high school in 1974. My first one, Seven Seas, had no Specials so by gosh my next game was going to have Specials!
There was a while when most others would say they did not like Ice-Revue very much but I never cared what anybody thought. I like this game very much. My personal best is 4,093 points. I bought the game from a local distributor who had stripped the coin door but back then you could buy new Gottlieb parts from Mountain Coin for the 60s games. I bought a cashbox and coin saddles brand new, etc. How cool was that, back before the hobby happened? Bought a bunch of brand new red replay buttons, too. I don't know what I was thinking except I thought they were cool, I guess. I still have them in the drawer. LOL.

You know, you are right, now that I read you say that. Subtle, yet satisfying. I do notice them lit during Specials and enjoy them.
I tease my younger brother by asking him what the heck will he do with all of my games when I'm gone. He says he'll keep one or two that had meaning to me and sell the rest. One would be Ice-Revue, and I know he'll like it too because he played it as a kid when I had it and Seven Seas in my bedroom.

My first pinball purchase was Gottlieb's Big Casino in 1965 at age twelve. Purchased it from a local game supplier for $30 and a new sheet of glass was another $3. We played the heck out of that thing and it never once required a service call.

Got married in 1975 and around 1977 a guy offered me $75 for it. Well, that sounded like $75 million to my wife and I, so it was gone. For 43 years I have regretted that sale, but I have made up for it the past three weeks by buying Ice Revue, Cross Town and MIBS. I don't care about game play much, if it's a Gottlieb wedgehead, reasonably priced and working, it's mine. Big Casino was not the greatest Gottlieb game ever made, but if I ever find one I'm buying it.
Thanks again, i_p_d_b Jay

#11 11 months ago
Quoted from HowardR:

Was that Mountain Coin in Denver?

Yes, I ordered parts from them for several years. I bought my first and only NIB machine from them in 1979:

https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1823&picno=56454&zoom=2

Quoted from The--Who:

Y

My first pinball purchase was Gottlieb's Big Casino in 1965 at age twelve. Purchased it from a local game supplier for $30 and a new sheet of glass was another $3. We played the heck out of that thing and it never once required a service call.
Got married in 1975 and around 1977 a guy offered me $75 for it. Well, that sounded like $75 million to my wife and I, so it was gone. For 43 years I have regretted that sale, but I have made up for it the past three weeks by buying Ice Revue, Cross Town and MIBS. I don't care about game play much, if it's a Gottlieb wedgehead, reasonably priced and working, it's mine. Big Casino was not the greatest Gottlieb game ever made, but if I ever find one I'm buying it.
Thanks again, i_p_d_b Jay

(Correction from earlier. I bought Ice-Revue used from a local operator, not distributor. I didn't mean to imply it was new and unused.)

You're a little older than me. I bought my Cross Town in 1979. Dumb little story that goes with it. Years earlier, 1972 I believe, I was playing at an arcade in Cheyenne where I lived that had two woodrails among the many pinballs, one was Lightning Ball. I really like that game and as I played it with my friend, I exclaimed, "Why, I would pay A HUNDRED DOLLARS for this game!" Now, you have to understand the humble beginnings from which I sprang, so a hundred bucks was really saying something at that point in my youth. It was some astronomical number to me. Seven years later, with a good job, I got a call at work from someone who wasn't into pinball but knew I was, and who said, "Jay, the arcade is selling a lot of his pinball machines!" I barreled down there as soon as I got off work and saw both Lightning Ball and Cross Town for $150 each except the latter had a broken backglass. I was not fearful of that, and offered to buy his CT at $150 if I could also buy the LB for... a hundred bucks. He said yes! I soon found a CT backglass from a guy in Maryland, another little story but I'll stop talking. I still have both games. Little did I know years before that I would actually buy that Lightning Ball for a hundred bucks. I have to say, I like that story. I bought two other games along with them.

Now that I know you are looking for a Big Casino I bet I will think of you should I next see one, and since I am linked to this thread I can find you at that time.

#12 11 months ago

My buddy has a Big Casino FS in the Dallas area but tacking on $450 shipping doesnt make sense. You should be able to find one in the PA area

#13 11 months ago
Quoted from I_P_D_B:

Yes, I ordered parts from them for several years. I bought my first and only NIB machine from them in 1979:
https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1823&picno=56454&zoom=2

(Correction from earlier. I bought Ice-Revue used from a local operator, not distributor. I didn't mean to imply it was new and unused.)
You're a little older than me. I bought my Cross Town in 1979. Dumb little story that goes with it. Years earlier, 1972 I believe, I was playing at an arcade in Cheyenne where I lived that had two woodrails among the many pinballs, one was Lightning Ball. I really like that game and as I played it with my friend, I exclaimed, "Why, I would pay A HUNDRED DOLLARS for this game!" Now, you have to understand the humble beginnings from which I sprang, so a hundred bucks was really saying something at that point in my youth. It was some astronomical number to me. Seven years later, with a good job, I got a call at work from someone who wasn't into pinball but knew I was, and who said, "Jay, the arcade is selling a lot of his pinball machines!" I barreled down there as soon as I got off work and saw both Lightning Ball and Cross Town for $150 each except the latter had a broken backglass. I was not fearful of that, and offered to buy his CT at $150 if I could also buy the LB for... a hundred bucks. He said yes! I soon found a CT backglass from a guy in Maryland, another little story but I'll stop talking. I still have both games. Little did I know years before that I would actually buy that Lightning Ball for a hundred bucks. I have to say, I like that story. I bought two other games along with them.
Now that I know you are looking for a Big Casino I bet I will think of you should I next see one, and since I am linked to this thread I can find you at that time.

You can tell your stories anytime. They are fascinating.

3 weeks later
#14 10 months ago
Quoted from I_P_D_B:

I own the game and I wrote that a long time ago. I'm sorry I was vague or incomplete. I played a few games with the glass off just now to verify what I am about to say. I apologize again if I now over-explain. I didn't remove my backglass but I can say that each of the six small backglass skaters has two bulbs, one flasher and one steady.
You will notice on the backglass, on the left side are three small skaters and, from top to bottom, the top one stands in a red circle, the middle one stands in a white circle, and the bottom one stands in a blue circle. Ditto for the right side.
At start of game, all six circles are dark. During play, once you hit all 6 standup targets, the two kick-out holes light up. At this time, two of your six backglass circles will light up steady and not blink. One on the left side and one on the right side. Which two circles light up steady at this time depends on the lit hole values:
Left hole special and right hole 100 = left skater in red circle, right skater in blue circle.
Left hole 200 and right hole 200 = left skater in white circle, right skater in white circle.
Left hole 100 and right hole special = left skater in blue circle, right skater in red circle.
Maybe if Gottlieb had used blue inserts for the 100 point values we would see better the color correlation.
Until the end of the game, as the lit hole values change, so do the lit pair of skaters on the backglass according to the pattern above.
If you do NOT light the holes, then yeah your skaters stay dark until game over when at that time only the flashers all light up behind each one. Then your six skaters flash independently of each other but simultaneously, if you know what I mean.
But, if you DID light the holes during play, thus lighting a pair of skaters during play, then at game over, in addition to the six flashing bulbs, the last pair that was lit steady will stay lit steady along with its flasher flashing. So, at game over, two of your six skaters will have both a steady lamp lit and a flasher lit.
The lit hole values only change when the motor turns. I didn't look inside my game tonight but, IIRC, the values are controlled by changing states of two side-by-side relays controlled by the motor.
The large skating couple in dead center and the large lady in lower left are GI and will always be lit. Therefore, if you've never noticed your six small skaters ever lighting during game play, either you suck at playing this game to have never hit all six targets (joking!) or maybe your steady bulbs are all fried or missing, or maybe the relays and/or motor contacts ain't working in concert, or some other electrical problem.
I'd be curious what you find out.
Jay

It does have one small glitch, but I'm not too concerned about it. When the last ball drains it switches to left hole (special)/right hole (100) every time, so only the red and blue skaters light up and flash at games end. If I can ever get anyone to come service my machines I'll have them look at it .

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