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Gottlieb Hot Shot Transformer from 230v to 115v

By frisbez

5 years ago


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#3 5 years ago

Hi frisbez +
I live in Switzerland - south of Germany. In the USA You have 110VAC on 60 Hertz --- in Europe we have 220VAC on 50 Hertz --- wayner came up with the problem --- in the pin is an Score-Motor for 25VAC-50 Hertz ? or for 25VAC-60 Hertz ? At the time the pin was imported into Germany - most likely with an motor 25VAC-50-Hertz --- You have the pin reemported to the USA - the motor will run - no problem for the motor - but it will run about 20% faster --- and the resetting of the Score-Drums may have an problem.

I feel uneasy - writing about 110VAC in the USA - not really knowing the 110VAC. So I would like US-pinsiders writing about Your B3235 (do You have solder-lugs for 6VAC on the transformer ?) --- taking the B3235 and wire according to Your schematics - as Your schematics is the "domestic-USA-schematics" ?

Switzerland is not Germany - the pins imported into Germany at times (?) MUST have added an "Radio Interference Filter" --- not in Switzerland. Your first picture shows (99% sure) such an Radio Interference Filter --- see the first JPG: The "green colored" wiring is "Target Alpha - GERMAN schematics --- see near the 220VAC Line-Cord: Radio Interference Filter - You must get rid off.
On the bottom of the first JPG is "Target Alpha for Switzerland" --- see in the lower left corner the strange looking drawing of an tranformer --- such an transformer can be used "plugged for 110VAC" - can be used "plugged for 220VAC".

See the second JPG - the transformer in MY ORBIT - the adjusting for 110VAC or for 220VAC can be done by unplugging - moving - plugging-in (the bakelite stuff "V1, V2 etc.)" - big question: DOES Your pin has such an Adj-Plug near the transformer ? Greetings Rolf

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#5 5 years ago

Hi frisbez +
see the JPG --- B7760 is the 60 Hertz motor - B11550 is the 50 Hertz motor. In Switzerland it is evening - almost 21:00 (hour, time) - getting dark - not good for looking at the motors in my basement.
Also in the JPG: Different transformers --- well, one transformer You have is B-3235 --- maybe want to start a new topic +/- "How to grab 6VAC on Gottlieb B-3235 transformer ?" - and You and american pinsiders talk about the B-3235 transformer (?),

The other transformer You have - on the JPG in post-1 I read B-79??????? - I also read 115VAC -230VAC - 115VAC --- maybe it is an B-7986 - good for 110VAC AND 220VAC ? So tomorrow I can dig into my "Orbit" (as my picture is from my Orbit) - looking for a number.

Grumble - frustrating - I do not have "all my posts written in all the different topics" in my memory --- how about these: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/what-type-of-inverter-will-power-an-em-pinball-machine#post-4390156 - to: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/gtb-c37-transformer-diagram-can-someone-explain#post-4210443

An Adj-Plug to switch to 110VAC - to switch to 220VAC sure is nice - but doing a soldering job for permanent 110VAC should be possible to be done.

I repeat: I feel very uncomfortable when it comes to transformers and 110VAC and/or 220VAC - do You want to think first about "using the B-3235 transformer and wire it like shown in Your schematics" ? Greetings Rolf

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#9 5 years ago

Hi frisbez +
the following I wrote not knowing HowardR 's post-8.

Hi frisbez
I must wait for tomorrow - daylight - for to look into my Gottlieb pins --- the first JPG is from (I do not remember) - showing Bally, Gottlieb, Williams solutions. The second JPG shows on Gottlieb HOW the Adj-Plug works --- on the primary side there are TWO identical wires wound - identical gauge - identical length / windings. Plugged for 220VAC: ALL electrons must run through the first - then through the second windings. When set for 110VAC: Each electron can decide "Do I want to take left side - or do I want to take right side --- about half of the electrons take left and the other half take right - so it is like "doble-thickness - but only half of length". The laws of electricity work --- and "Voltage divider - when set to use 220VAC: At "L" we europeans can grab 110VAC needed for Bank-Reset-Coils. I really dislike to work on 110VAC- / 220VAC-stuff (danger !). Greetings Rolf

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#10 5 years ago

Hi frisbez
I fear working with 220VAC / 110 VAC - also 50VAC (Bally pins) - also 25VAC - also 6VAC. I do not want to be the one who talked You into "doing something" - and then accident / injury / death.
(You live in a big town) - take the problem to an local electricien - tell him about "some transformers have TWO identical / separated wirings on the primary side" - hooked "in series - one behind the other" is for using 220VAC on the primary side --- hooked "parallel" is for using 110VAC on the primary side. Pins in Europe have an nice Adj-Jack to change voltage.
YOUR pin does NOT have such an Adj-Plug - YOUR pin / transformer has NOT the "1 2 3 4" text on the wrapping paper (as my pins have) - YOUR transformer has "COM 115 230 115" - ask the electricien about "same meaning ?". He will probably do the (my brown text) using a meter checking for continuity - and measuring OHMs. Maybe (?) he will make permanent connection "1 to 2" and "3 to 4" (depending on the results of his measuring) - wiring 110VAC-Line-Cord-HOT through fuse to main power-switch to "connected 3 and 4 (maybe) ". He maybe connects "Line-cord-Return-Side to 'connected 1 and 2' ". He maybe takes out the fuses in Your pin - the fuses for "stuff operated on 110VAC" - to make first tests easyer- then he tries the transformer.

Please accept - I do not give advices to You to do it Yourself --- I strongly advice "take the problem to an local electricien and ask him".

The problem of "Score-Motor with an 50 Hertz real motor runs in the USA about 20% faster than an american (60 Hertz) motor": We can check after You have an transformer in Your pin and can toggle-on the pin and You get 25VAC (((sidenote / question: Do You have an solder-lug on top / up-behind the transformer --- is it for 6VAC ?))). Greetings Rolf

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#21 5 years ago

Hi frisbez +
on behalf of other stuff I happened to look at the schematics of "Dancing Lady" --- german version - see the JPG. Hmm, in the JPG in post-5 this transformer is not listed --- does somebody have an old Gottlieb "parts manual" ?

frisbez - a 50-Hertz-motor running on 60-Hertz (thats what You have by now) --- the main problem I see is in "does the 'stepping forward to position-zero (we call it resetting)' work when You start a new game ?" The engineers did some work in the design --- the size of the teeth on the motor and the speed in turning makes the definition on: How long in time is the switch closed --- then how long in time is the switch open - then closed - then open etc. . IF (if, if) the switch on the motor opens too early - the coil on the Score-Drum has not enough time to pull-in the plunger on the drum completely: The resetting does not work. Greetings Rolf

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#29 5 years ago

Hi frisbez
Playmatic had nice transformers - see the JPG. Greetings

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#30 5 years ago

Hi frisbez +
I stumbled over "drawing of transformer situation 110VAC versus 220VAC" --- Gottlieb Canada Dry. Interesting: In the schematics of my Far Out is a three prong plug --- in Canada Dry there is a two prong plug. Hmm, the two prong plug we better plug-in so Line-Cord-POWER-HOT comes to Fuse - then Toggle-Switch.

Canada Dry is the FIRST time I see in a Gottlieb / Bally / Williams drawn "situation 110VAC versus 220VAC". Greetings Rolf

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#31 5 years ago

Hi
I had another look at the Canada Dry schematics --- see the JPG here. Greetings Rolf

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