Flip-A-Card
Gottlieb, 1970Getting a flip a card running, have everything working pretty much except special. When the special lights and the rollovers light up and you hit them no knocker, no points nothing. Cleaned W relay. If i manually close the switch on replay unit knocker will sound. Game is apparently on free play and credit unit doesnt move. So, how do i get special to knock and score if its supposed to while set to free play?
You've noted that the credit reel doesn't move, but does the step up coil fire?
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Quoted from Wickerman2:No coil movement on credit wheel as far as I can tell
So...that's a place to start.
Manually set the reel to, say 6, and retest.
This should close the "credits not at max" switch, allowing addition of another credit.
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Really need to see the schematics to help more.
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That top switch on the stack is open, which will prevent any credits from being added.
The return spring is wrapped around the post; looks like the cam has been messed with and things are out of whack. Compare to a second game if you have one (I'll see what pics I've got of a correct one).
So at least two issues with that credit unit as it sits.
Quoted from DirtFlipper:That top switch on the stack is open, which will prevent any credits from being added.
The return spring is wrapped around the post; looks like the cam has been messed with and things are out of whack. Compare to a second game if you have one (I'll see what pics I've got of a correct one).
So at least two issues with that credit unit as it sits.
Thanks again for the info. That explains why the unit didn't turn that easy! I'll try and tackle the spring later today or tomorrow. So top switch should be closed in zero position? I assume it'd be best to unscrew unit/pull away from game to work on that spring?
I think some of the confusion is when your credit wheel is in reset “0” credit position it does not show “0” in the credit box so you might think there are credits when there is not. Your pictures show the max credit switch open but I can still see your credit wheel max of “15” when your unit is at max “15” should be displayed in the credits on the backglass.
So here is what I would suggest,
1. Get the credit unit into the reset position.
2. Correct the alignment of the credit wheel to show “0” in the backglass.
3. Manually step/reset the unit and adjust the switches if need be.
I think once you do that until you close the minimum credit switch for free play anything above “0” for credits will start a game. I also attached one of your pictures that shows the max credit switch open and the reflection of the credit wheel so you can understand what I am saying.
Hope this helps.
Quoted from burnt_finger:I think some of the confusion is when your credit wheel is in reset “0” credit position it does not show “0” in the credit box so you might think there are credits when there is not. Your pictures show the max credit switch open but I can still see your credit wheel max of “15” when your unit is at max “15” should be displayed in the credits on the backglass.
So here is what I would suggest,
1. Get the credit unit into the reset position.
2. Correct the alignment of the credit wheel to show “0” in the backglass.
3. Manually step/reset the unit and adjust the switches if need be.
I think once you do that until you close the minimum credit switch for free play anything above “0” for credits will start a game. I also attached one of your pictures that shows the max credit switch open and the reflection of the credit wheel so you can understand what I am saying.
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Great info. Thanks for labeling the picture. I think I've got a clear idea of where things should be now. I'll try and get them in the correct position after I figure out how to get the spring back in order as well.
Quoted from Wickerman2:Thanks again for the info. That explains why the unit didn't turn that easy! I'll try and tackle the spring later today or tomorrow. So top switch should be closed in zero position? I assume it'd be best to unscrew unit/pull away from game to work on that spring?
It's probably not just the spring, but the whole cam looks like it's maybe 180 degrees out of alignment. The post that normally lifts the switch stack in the zero position is now opening the max credit switch. Perhaps the cam got loose and flipped around.
Personally, I find it easier to take the unit out of the game and rebuild it.
Quoted from DirtFlipper:It's probably not just the spring, but the whole cam looks like it's maybe 180 degrees out of alignment. The post that normally lifts the switch stack in the zero position is now opening the max credit switch. Perhaps the cam got loose and flipped around.
Personally, I find it easier to take the unit out of the game and rebuild it.
Good eyes you are correct it is 180 off.
The post was in the wrong hole.!..? Rotated it and realized there was no way to make it look right with the post where it was...switched holes to make it look like your pic and it works. Tried out the special and knocker works. The bakelite/fiber board piece broke in the process but doesn't appear to be an essential component. Now, can I jumper this somehow to get free play and still keep the special or is that one or the other?
Quoted from Wickerman2:The post was in the wrong hole.!..? Rotated it and realized there was no way to make it look right with the post where it was...switched holes to make it look like your pic and it works. Tried out the special and knocker works. The bakelite/fiber board piece broke in the process but doesn't appear to be an essential component. Now, can I jumper this somehow to get free play and still keep the special or is that one or the other?
Great!!
Adjust the middle switch closed and all should be good, the replay/special will work fine until you reach the max credit switch then it shuts off.
image-289.pngQuoted from Wickerman2:The post was in the wrong hole.!..? Rotated it and realized there was no way to make it look right with the post where it was...switched holes to make it look like your pic and it works. Tried out the special and knocker works. The bakelite/fiber board piece broke in the process but doesn't appear to be an essential component. Now, can I jumper this somehow to get free play and still keep the special or is that one or the other?
What was that even doing there in the first place? That piece of bakelite shouldn't be there.
Someone really hacked away on that replay unit.
Quoted from EMsInKC:What was that even doing there in the first place? That piece of bakelite shouldn't be there.
Someone really hacked away on that replay unit.
Actually it should be there. It's just missing in the one I pictured (also broken off). It's there to separate the max credit switch from the middle switch, since they flex towards each other. They don't typically touch though, so not a big deal.
Quoted from DirtFlipper:Actually it should be there. It's just missing in the one I pictured (also broken off). It's there to separate the max credit switch from the middle switch, since they flex towards each other. They don't typically touch though, so not a big deal.
I've never seen a piece of bakelite doing that job though. Fish paper, yes. Bakelite, no.
Quoted from EMsInKC:I've never seen a piece of bakelite doing that job though. Fish paper, yes. Bakelite, no.
I'm not sure when they switched over, but sometime between Atlantis and Jungle Queen they went from the Bakelite spacer to a piece of metal with fish paper on the top side. I'd guess maybe after they reverted to the classic credit unit after giving the half-moon credit unit a try. So maybe with the '76 titles.
But prior to the switch to the metal spacer, the credit units all have that Bakelite spacer in the switch stack. They are often broken though (which is probably why they switched to metal).
Here are pics of an unbroken one from Atlantis, and a metal one in Jungle Queen (two that I have on hand).
Atlantis with Bakelite spacer
Jungle Queen with metal spacer+fishpaper
Quoted from DirtFlipper:I'm not sure when they switched over, but sometime between Atlantis and Jungle Queen they went from the Bakelite spacer to a piece of metal with fish paper on the top side. I'd guess maybe after they reverted to the classic credit unit after giving the half-moon credit unit a try. So maybe with the '76 titles.
But prior to the switch to the metal spacer, the credit units all have that Bakelite spacer in the switch stack. They are often broken though (which is probably why they switched to metal).
Here are pics of an unbroken one from Atlantis, and a metal one in Jungle Queen (two that I have on hand).
Atlantis with Bakelite spacer
Jungle Queen with metal spacer+fishpaperWell, maybe it's there and I never noticed. I only have two wedgeheads right now, both pre Atlantis, so I'll have to look. It just looked really weird to me and I wondered where in the world that came from, because I just don't remember seeing it.
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Quoted from DirtFlipper:I'm not sure when they switched over, but sometime between Atlantis and Jungle Queen they went from the Bakelite spacer to a piece of metal with fish paper on the top side. I'd guess maybe after they reverted to the classic credit unit after giving the half-moon credit unit a try. So maybe with the '76 titles.
I think your problem is that your credit units are too clean and shiny 
Nice pics Dirt!
I've seen a few of the Bakelite dividers broken. I know I replaced one with a makeshift piece I fashioned from an old flipper link.
Mind if I add those two pics to the PinWiki?
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Quoted from ChrisHibler:Mind if I add those two pics to the PinWiki?
Nope, go right ahead.
Quoted from DirtFlipper:Nope, go right ahead.
Thanks DF!
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