Good Afternoon Pinside,

Full transparency, I am a newbie, so I will try to describe in as much detail as I can. I have a 70s Gottlieb Far Out pin and have run into a curious problem. I cannot restart a new game after having four players selected. It doesn't matter if i finish a game with all for players or if I select four players, never finish all balls and power the machine off, the same issue pops up. After either, when pressing the add player button, the Start Relay switch does not engage to reset the game (photo attached of Start Relay). I have to go in and manually engage the Start Relay at this point and it resets. If I select 1-3 players, all works as normal and the Start Relay engages, resetting all of the switches in the control bank.

I have the schematic, have checked all fuses and where possible checked continuity on coils. The switches all seem to be gapped correctly. I have not de-soldered any of the coils in the control bank as of yet.

Hoping someone might be able to point me in the right direction

Thanks,
JP

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DaMoib Thank you. I will give it a go!

DaMoib Thanks again!

I was able to spend a little time on the machine last night and wanted to update in the thread.

I focused on ZB as you suggested and verified that after power up and after the 1st plaher scores that ZB was closed. I took a closer look at the blades on ZB with the control bank flipped up, and while they were closed, It looked like the lower blade on the right switch stack maybe wasn't perfect. I cleaned those contacts as best I could and gave it a slight adjustment and tested the game in 4P mode. I was able to cycle through all players and balls and restart a game as normal. Good news right? Here is where it gets interesting.

I ran a through a few tests with the control bank tilted up and it seemed to be working fine. When I put the control bank back down and secured it, the issue came back (but only for 4P). I manually activated the start relay, tilted it back up and ran through a few more tests. They all worked. So, I am wondering if when the control bank is locked in, that it is putting some kind of torque on those switches maybe? Could there be a pinched wire or a short maybe? I did visually check the wire bundles as best I could and didn't see anything obvious.

Final gremlin I ran into and not sure it if is related or not, but I wanted to test it out on a few more simulated games, so I put it back in 4P and manually engaged the switch to cycle between players and balls. I was doing this pretty fast to get through 4P and 5 balls and actually blew the 5A fuse that sits between the line power and the maintenance outlet. Could that be a one off because I was cycling through the players so fast or does it point back to a possible short. I did test 4 or 5 more simulated 4P games and didn't blow the fuse again.