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Gottlieb EM Printed Schematic Size (Hearts and Spades)


By PinFixin

1 year ago



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#1 1 year ago

Hey all,

I know the "standard" gottlieb printed schematic size is around like 18x30 or so. It's quite large. It's nice to have the larger copy to read it easily.

I recently picked up a Hearts and Spades, and did have a copy of the schematic, but it was all taped together. A buddy of mine collects schematics, and surprisingly he did not have this one. So I ordered one from Steve at PBR. The size of the taped up schematic I got with the game is about 12x18 and the copy Steve sent me is the same. It's real small to read all the details on the schematic.

I've been trying to research this, and without blowing it up on a scanner and re-copying to be able to read it, I was wondering if anyone else has a copy of this schematic and can confirm the smaller size, compared to all other Gottlieb EMs of this era? (60s-70s) Every other schematic I own, have looked at with my buddy at his house, as well as the ones I've bought from Steve are all the larger 18x30 or so size. It just seems strange Gottlieb would print out a smaller schematic for one game.

-Pat

#2 1 year ago

I order a schematic for poker face (1953) from Steve and it was a small size. I had also ordered a williams golden bells (1959) at the same time and it was a large size.

#3 1 year ago

Maybe try buying a schematic from Marco Specialties. The ones they have may be the larger ones.

#4 1 year ago

I used to work in document management. Drawings usually have a title block in the bottom right corner that may have the original size listed. ANSI and ARCH sizes are by letter usually. ANSI D is 22x34 and ARCH D is 24x36. Some of the old ladder drawings I have seen for pinball are not a standard size besides the paper width... ie 11" wide by however long.

Is there a title block with any clues to paper size?

#5 1 year ago
Quoted from barakandl:

I used to work in document management. Drawings usually have a title block in the bottom right corner that may have the original size listed. ANSI and ARCH sizes are by letter usually. ANSI D is 22x34 and ARCH D is 24x36. Some of the old ladder drawings I have seen for pinball are not a standard size besides the paper width... ie 11" wide by however long.
Is there a title block with any clues to paper size?

Aahh shoot Andrew. I forgot to look at this today when I measured both the schematic sizes. I'll take a look when I get out to my house tomorrow and see.

The reason I'm so particular about this, is I ordered a WMS Kingpin schematic from Planetary Pinball. The schematic was so small, and illegible, it's practically useless. I was able to get a full size copy of it from a friend of mine. When emailing PP, they basically just said "too bad, that's the only copy we have". That's why a full size legible version is on IPDB now.
At least the smaller size is somewhat legible, but difficult to read in certain spots. I just thought I was going through another issue I had with PP and their illegible schematic.

-Pat

#6 1 year ago

When I was at the document management place I could scan anything into a full size high res PDF. That had some great roll fed scanners. Some did better on dirty old prints. Some for color, etc.. I wish i could have archived more stuff while I was there, but just didn't have access to originals to scan. I did a few books from games I owned. I am pretty sure they would still let me walk in there and use the scanners for free, but I probably can't push it.

A 11x17 print, if scanned at 300dpi or better pure black can fit to page a 24x36 and look good enough. I used to have the Bally and WMS schematics often used pasted on my walls in the shop. I'd just roll the chair over if I needed to look at something =D.

Oce gear for the most part. Had a cannon and some other brand scanner.

The Oce stuff would run forever. They had one with the sq ft counter rolled over twice.
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#7 1 year ago

Hearts & Spades was on my bucket list ever since I played a mint one at “Mopars” in upstate NY 3 years ago. Fell in love with the game play and the unique backbox. I picked one up in trade this Spring . I’m redoing the cabinet, got a Webb glass, and I sent the PF to a restorer in TX.

My H&S schematic is taped inside my back door I’ll have to check out the size. I did have a reprinted PBR schematic for the replay version , Spin a Card, it was the smaller sized print.

#8 1 year ago
Quoted from 1974DeltaQueen:

Hearts & Spades was on my bucket list ever since I played a mint one at “Mopars” in upstate NY 3 years ago. Fell in love with the game play and the unique backbox. I picked one up in trade this Spring . I’m redoing the cabinet, got a Webb glass, and I sent the PF to a restorer in TX.
My H&S schematic is taped inside my back door I’ll have to check out the size. I did have a reprinted PBR schematic for the replay version , Spin a Card, it was the smaller sized print.

Thanks for checking.

What's interesting about the game is, IPDB, and some other folks say there were 615 units made of this game. Tom Taylor (the add-a-ball guy), swears up and down there was only about 100ish made and it's extremely rare. I've heard of it a lot, and there are a lot of comments about people that have played it or have one in their collection, but it's interesting also to get the exact production number. It's a fun game, and I actually like it better than Spin-A-Card.

-Pat

#9 1 year ago

Don't remember where, but I've read somewhere there were over 1000 units of this one. Definitely more than 100. I have one in my collection and really like it. I also prefer it over Spin a Card. I also have that smaller print size schematic.

#10 1 year ago

Don’t em schematics size have to do with the amount of electrical circuits in the machine? That’s why Bally em schematics are so long.

#11 1 year ago

Just confirmed small size factory schematic inside of backbox door, small print too

#12 1 year ago
Quoted from 1974DeltaQueen:

Just confirmed small size factory schematic inside of backbox door, small print too

Thanks everyone. How weird that they did smaller versions compared to larger.

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