Hello to all the E.M.pinball techs out there!!
I finally scored a gottlieb Abra CA dabra, was in bad shape, had to rebuild the cabinet, I ordered stencils from "da-pimp" so I rebuilt it, painted it, webbed it, traced bunch of wires, bunch of soldering and I got it down to these last 3 scoring issues...

This will be my 2nd time using pinside for tech advice, I had good success the first time with Zaccaria Moon flight, so hopefully I will find help again

I have schematics and owners manual

Issue#1.... I can't score a point when I hit any rollovers, all I get is a loud buzz sound from the "q
-relay" aka series relay... No other relay are being activated, each rollover should score 500points...

Issue #2..... I also can score a since point on any of the 10 drop targets, each target should score 500 points, unless it's lit, that score bonus value

**Basically only thing that scores are pop bumpers and slingshots...

Issue#3... Ok this is the state I got the bonus value working, it wasent advancing at all when I got it!. I fooled around with Motor1a-3rd switch(scoring) cleaned a few other contacts and add bonus unit and this is what happening and as good as I can get it, Hopefully I get good advice ... 1000value I score with 2000 or 3000points, 2000value I score 2000 or 3000 points
3000value I always score 3000points
4000value I always score 4000points
5000value I always score 4000points
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Those are my 3 issues, I will be back at it this Friday, so.i got a few days to get advice & ideas from you pinsiders.... I will try posting schematics and manual soon.
Happy new years to all....

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I also cleaned and polished "i-relay"(target bank spot relay) wipers move easy now, no gumming. I will be back at it Friday

Thank you *DaMoib* I will be back at it on Friday. So for now I can answer your response on issue#1...when I push the "G" relay armature for a split second only the chime rings, if I hold it for 1-2seconds it will score 200-300 points, if I hold it for 4seconds it will score 500points. I discovered another weird scenario on score motor, seems like motor 1b should only have 1 contact on that paticular stack according to owners manual, I got 3 stacks??? Weird. I will post pics soon .. did owners/operators add extras to the game ? Weird??

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Yes it's 1D motor, I labelled it wrong here....

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I will check switches as you mentioned *DaMoib* leading to "G-relay" yes something is off.

When I manually activate "q" relay it dosent do anything, it only buzes loudly when you manually touch any rollover. I deffently have some work here ahead of me

Thank you *DaMoib* for your assistance, I will re-trouble shoot it on Friday with your guidance. Amazing how knowledgeable some of you posters are, what a wonderful website

Ok I see it now,

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"G" does not activate when "Q" is fired, it does buzz loud though. If I remember correctly it has 2 contact points and I'm sure they were functioning properly and clean but I will look into this matter on Friday. Thank- you for all the feedbacks. I'm really puzzled on this one

Ok I actually had some time to work on pinball today, my next date with pinball will be this Friday...
Progress....I did some adjustments to score motor for issue#3(score bonus) so the best I can do is it scores and advances properly from 1000-4000points.... 5000 points only scores 4000points, if I adjust leaf switch on motor1A-3rd switch(scoring) and pull the leaf closer it will score 5000points but then 1000bonus will score 2-3000 points, 2000 scores 3000 points and so forth. Pretty fussy leaf. I spent 30min on it to adjust and that's the best I can get .

For issue 1&2 no luck!! I followed the path from *sirscott* &*daMoib* recommendation, cleaned contacts, fine adjusted & no luck.....but I discovered "q" relay only buzzes when you go through rollover only, it dosent fire the "g"500point relay, and if you try to manually activate "q" relay via armature(manually) it does nothing and no buzz. I believe the red wire leading to "q" relay has no power! I tried to follow it's path to investigate further but not sure where it ties in to .... Also "g" relay-500points still has same issue, in regards it dosent hold long to score 500points. If you press armature, only chime rings, if you hold for 1second you score 100points, you physically need a good 3second hold to score 500points manually. Hopefully you guys out there can leed me to another path. I'm lost on this project but making slight progress.
Thank you

New Update.......
Ok making progress, going to bed now....
I got "g" relay to always fire now, unfortunately it only scores 400points, not 500. Also the 5000point bonus only scores always 4000. Seems like the 5th pulse is not strong enough to make scoring accurate? Any suggestions???

One last issue is drop targets are obviously scoring a lousy 400points aswell, (5th pulse issue)but the illuminate ones are not scoring the value added bonus. Looks like on Friday I need to poke around a bit more via score motor? Motor1c should be closed also 2b. Any suggestions?

For the "g" relay I went back to basics, and once again took *sirscott* and *daMoib* advice. I made sure 5b,C,D were more closed, I got some 91% alcohol and really got the contacts clean, I also super cleaned "g" relay wh-or wire. I also gave it another lite tug with the leaf adjustment tool, and it finally worked!!!.. not sure which one was the issue, but it now finally works...Thanks again gentleman, I'm almost there....

So two last issues, the 5th pulse so I can score correctly & more poking around for the drop target illuminated bonus score....
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated! I might be a lil slow at this but I'm dedicated. See everybody on Friday, goodnight

Hello *baldtwit* I suspect either switch 5b, c, d was slightly opened but I finally conquered that issue. 2 more to go. Thank you for participating. I will be back at it on Friday.

Ok, thank you *baldtwit* I have no experience In Score motor timing but I'm eager to learn, I'm going to watch a tutorial tommorow afternoon and back at it and on friday

Good evening to all !!!
Ok *DaMoib* thanks for that link about alligator clips and basically entire em mechanic manual. Deffently make alot more sense & it will be found in my toolbox very soon...

Now for this fifth pulse, I do now understand more about what yourself & baldtwit are leading me too. A few tutorials helped out aswell. So the way I see things is if the stack where this motor 1a switch is being linked together and dogged up in the adjustable link is in the S-position as stated in schematics then leave it alone issue is not there. If by mistake the mechanic before me linked it to L-position than refit to the S-position immediately. We will soon find out tommorow. One of the links I was just viewing also recommended a few drops of 3-1 oil in this felt paper slot found on gottlieb motors, for lube up. Probaly a few drops makes it run smooth, cuts down on wear.

In theory..
I'm getting pulses 1-4, so the fifth pulse is likely slightly late and won't calibrate which means pulse#1 is also slightly late but not late enough to calibrate pulses 1 to 4. To prove this law of Relativity, is if I adjust the leaf switch gap extra close, I will get the fifth pulse every time but this tighter leaf gap screws up pulses 1,2,3 because the late pulse signal will still regulate under normal leaf gap situation. By Compensating the gap tighter to make the fifth pulse will make the late signal pulse unstable for pulses 1,2,3 because pulse #1 with tight leaf gap is actually now more closer or into the second pulse when it makes contact on the leaf. Hopefully this is just a simple dog adjustment... Stupid question? Why do these motors come with the L & S slots for dogs? To compensate for wear and tear on gears and posts, links and dogs?

Have a good night everyone, back at this tommorow evening

Thanks again *DaMoib* yes a few night ago I took that i-relay apart because the lights were sluggish, so I polished it with 600sandpaper, 91% alcohol clean whipped and a micro drop of Teflon grease rub, the lights work fantastic but maybe I was a bit to shy on the opposite wipper.

Incredible, I'm learning so much. You guysxare so helpful. I'm deffently going to make a donation to this website on Saturday.

Update.....
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After

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The score motor is now tuned, I also tugged in bonus wiper on i-stepper unit, so drop target bonus is tuned up. Everything now works perfectly thanks to my effort and because of *Da-moib* & *Baldtwit* knowledge and guidance!
I also got some alligator clips :0)

Thank you for your help :0)

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Actually just one last issue.....
Chime box is fully rebuit with chime kit. Issue is plunger only hits the chime bar ever 10hits or so. And all 3 chime bar plungers are performing the same. I took of the chime bar to investigate, and yes it does fire on every hit but unfortunately 9/10 hits it's not strong enough to hit chime bar, what's gives?

Ok. I think I screwed up on the rebuild... I have the nylon part of the chime plunger hitting the rubber beer seal on the bottom plate of chime box. I just rebuilt it the same way I disassembled it. I will flip the plungers over later on and see how it reacts. And I will loosen the chime bar a tad

I will also make sure terminal post from coil is not making contact with the chime box

Everything is ok here, chimes, scoring, resets. Just cleaned and waxed it. I put orange dot coils on flippers so I can lower the pitch a tad for faster play. Maybe 5-6°. Also installed yellow dot coils for pop bumpers, pretty lively vivid games. It's on normal tap aswell. There's alot of pro hi-tappers vs reg-tappers. I just wanted a little boost on flippers and pops and nothing else. If one of you pinsiders please kindly(no rush) take a pix of high score free play setting in the head box, that would be appreciated. Myn is glued off as you see in the picture.. Thank-you....

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Target spot relay * i *

I'm having some issues on spotlight target drops. According to schematics, the light moves along the drop targets when you hit 10, 100, and 1000 points. Obviously you score bonus when you hit the lit target. On my machine the i-relay only functions periodically probaly ever 10th hit. I got schematics. Look like BL-Wh-red wire activates i-relay. On my unit most of the wires are blue(previous fix). What activates i-relay that I'm missing. Which one would be the BL-Wh-red wire that I'm seeking

Thank you

Thank you HowardR I just thought it was ironic that anything I hit, wouldn't activate the target spot bank, I will re-gap and clean contact on 10 and 100 point mechanism later today