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Gottleib Grand slam - kickout holes reset bases

By Arkate

11 months ago



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#1 11 months ago

Hey Everyone,

Anytime I land the ball in one of the kickout holes the bases all reset - otherwise everything the bases function properly (runs score via single/double/triple/homeruns without issue) The bases also reset when the ball drains which from watching videos this doesn't seem to be the intended behavior.

I am currently waiting on the schematic in the mail and can't seem to find one online - any advice would be very welcome. This is my first Gottleib machine so I'm pretty unfamiliar with how things are done in these machines

Thank you!
Kate

#2 11 months ago

Following.

I have one of these in storage that needs a little help too.

Have you checked the switch stacks that keep track of the runners? A lot of Gottlieb switch stack screws loosen up over time and cause weird behavior. Tightening helped some of my issues. Off the top of my head there are some relevant relays towards the front right inside the cabinet.

The good news is this game follows the rules of baseball so it’s easier to determine if it’s working right.

#3 11 months ago
Quoted from EJS:

Following.
I have one of these in storage that needs a little help too.
Have you checked the switch stacks that keep track of the runners? A lot of Gottlieb switch stack screws loosen up over time and cause weird behavior. Tightening helped some of my issues. Off the top of my head there are some relevant relays towards the front right inside the cabinet.
The good news is this game follows the rules of baseball so it’s easier to determine if it’s working right.

Everything seems to be tight from where I've checked, and the runners work just fine. I'm able to identify a specific contact on the P relay which is causing the reset, but without the schematic/manual I haven't been able to trace it yet

I picked this one up recently as a '100% working freshly shopped' machine and have been fixing tons of little issues constantly when will I learn lol

#4 11 months ago
Quoted from Arkate:

Anytime I land the ball in one of the kickout holes the bases all reset - otherwise everything the bases function properly (runs score via single/double/triple/homeruns without issue) The bases also reset when the ball drains which from watching videos this doesn't seem to be the intended behavior.

The base runner circuit in Grand Slam and the other 70s Gottlieb baseball games relies on some clever circuitry explained at:
https://www.funwithpinball.com/learn/gottlieb-grand-slam-base-runner-circuit-animation

Any time the Score Motor runs, like when the ball drains, each base goes through a process:
- the base runner is checked to see if it should score a run
- the base runner is cleared
- the base checks to see if a new base runner arrived at the base

In your case it sounds like the first two steps are happening but the last step isn't. The relevant part of the schematic is:
Grand Slam bases relays (resized).jpgGrand Slam bases relays (resized).jpg
Do you get base runners by hitting targets, or only by landing in the kickout holes? If only the kickout hole switches work to put runners on base I would suspect the wipers on the Hit Unit stepper (in the dashed box).

/Mark

#5 11 months ago
Quoted from MarkG:

Do you get base runners by hitting targets, or only by landing in the kickout holes? If only the kickout hole switches work to put runners on base I would suspect the wipers on the Hit Unit stepper (in the dashed box).
/Mark

The targets put men on bases and they cycle perfectly

The kickout holes remove everyone from the bases, as does a ball draining

I've inspected the hit unit and cleaned and it seems like everything is adjusted correctly.

My thoughts are there has to be a common switch the spinner/kickout (P relay) and out hole have that is triggering a base reset

Thank you so much for the snippet, I'll verify what I can from it

Also I found and read that whole link previously, it's extremely informative and very helpful, just doesn't explain the kickout landing a man on base mechanic unfortunately

#6 11 months ago

I just went through one of these a couple months ago and got it working.

I’m drawing a blank now and only had snippets of the schematics to work with but I remember watching a video of Ron from Joe’s classic arcades working on a Gottlieb Home Run with the same base runner circuit which helped me understand what was happening.

#7 11 months ago

Upon closer inspection the events I listed earlier happen when a target or rollover earns a hit, but not when the ball lands in a kicker hole. The kicker hole runs the Score Motor and puts a man on base but it's as if he parachuted in without getting a hit.

Does your Hit Unit stepper advance when the ball lands in the kicker holes? It shouldn't but it would explain how the bases are getting cleared if it does.

#8 11 months ago
Quoted from MarkG:

Does your Hit Unit stepper advance when the ball lands in the kicker holes? It shouldn't but it would explain how the bases are getting cleared if it does.

Yes, the hit unit stepper advances when the ball lands in the kickout. If I manually click just the top contact the light will come on as it should, it is when the kicker fires and the roto target spins that the hit unit also triggers

#9 11 months ago
Quoted from Arkate:

Yes, the hit unit stepper advances when the ball lands in the kickout.

I suspect that the Hit Unit runs, and your bases clear, any time the Score Motor runs. It shouldn't do that. You could test that theory by giving the Score Motor a nudge out of its home position.

It may be that one of the switches in the red box is stuck closed somehow (mangled, bent solder tabs, touching wires, etc.):
Grand Slam Add Hit Unit (resized).jpgGrand Slam Add Hit Unit (resized).jpg
It might also be that the E/Single relay fires when the ball lands in a kickout hole.

#10 11 months ago
Quoted from MarkG:

It may be that one of the switches in the red box is stuck closed somehow (mangled, bent solder tabs, touching wires, etc.)

It was that contact on the S relay, thank you so much, without the schematic I never would have even thought to look at the start relay

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