you are missing the bell also

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3” A1168A Plated

http://www.pbresource.com/bells.html

Teach a man to fish.

If your repair fails, I'm pretty sure Steve Young has that part.

I'll need to see a high quality scan of the schematic from e.g. Staples ($2) or Kinkos ($6)

Do macros still exist? If so, this has to be one.

Someone appears to be trying to build a library of Gottlieb schematics ala Frank Fuhrter of RGP fame...

Highly doubtful, if you install a new part, that it would ever fail in this manner again.

While both Todd and Howard are from the same area, Howard actually offers specific technical help, while Frank, and/or SuperDaveOsborne can offer the occasional tip on how to clean a dirty something, but beyond that, not much technical. I bet they have bumped into each other at one point in time (much like I have probably bumped into Vid) and never knew it. The pinball world is small.

But now, it may fail in a different manner. Now, you've added weight to the mechanism, and it will be slower. May hang lower and/or not plunge properly.

On the chance that EMsInKC is referring to me, let me know if you'd like to hear why I ask for schematics instead of pretending you can read my mind.

Good copy of the schematic, thanks, JethroP
If the Match (O) relay locks on when this happens, check this switch on the Ball Release, which I think is here.

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Is the Match (O) relay locked on?

I can't be certain but from the schematic it looks like that switch on the Ball Release should be open when the Ball Release isn't energized?
If you'd like to talk on the phone, PM me some contact information.

Well, I'll put it this way. In well over 40 years of messing with these games, I don't think I've ever seen a situation where a spring managed to chew through a part it is attached to. It's more likely that the spring will break than the metal part. That's why I said "highly doubtful."

I know why...

"diagnose this circuit with Alligator clip jumper wires."

If you are holding the 5th trough switch closed manually and the relay engages and adds credits, then the relay is locking on and not dropping out as it should. When you are releasing the 5th switch, you're making the game think the 5th ball hasn't been played and thus the O relay will not engage. And check that motor switch to see if it is opening.

Check that lock in circuit, which is the switch on the O relay itself. If it is not normally open and is closed, that could cause what you're describing.

Hay guys, you all know that we are not allowed to post Gottlieb Schematics on this site, right?

We get away with snippets and so we get to keep this, Please NO MORE public requests for Gottlieb Schematics.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/do-you-need-a-schematic-andor-manual-for-a-gottlieb-pinball-machine

Good one, JethroP ! I've had a PM exchange with Chrisbee and understand what pinside wants.

Chrisbee-I know you're just the messenger, but this is ludicrous on a number of different levels. Pinsiders generate tons of business for PBR by always referring an owner to them for schematics and parts, and the only requests for schematics are from those trying to help, since you really can't diagnose without one. It would be good for Gottlieb, et al, to rethink their policy for educational sites such as Pinside. I understand the thought that sales might be lost by full posts of schematics, but I really don't think it's happening and I know that I and pretty much everyone else here are not going to buy a schematic for every Gottlieb problem that is posted.

Since they seem to have no legal standing with respect to these copywrites, I suggest all you pinside lawyers go ahead and make a bunch of photocopies and put them on ebay. Test the waters as it were.

Report back.

I'll venture to say PBR sells at least 50 Gottlieb schematics a year.

That's fine. Too. Go ahead and get them scanned and put them on your website. Let us know how that works out.

I would guess that it is closer to 20/month. Maybe a good idea would be to call him up and ask him, as we are trying to decide how much money he can live without in the future. Be sure to have a part number available.

The number sold is not really the point; it's that they're being used for educational purposes here, and should be exempt under "fair use."

I would guess, though, that Steve pays a fair amount for license and that it is worth his while. I've bought five in the past year alone.

Uhh, well, that's exactly what IPDB was doing when they got the cease and desist letter from Gottlieb Development.

And while they don't make games, or at least pinball machines any longer, these companies are certainly not defunct. Gottlieb is gone but their rights certainly are not. Williams is still around, they still have the rights, and if you don't believe that someone is watching, contact Lee or Gordon at pinballrescue.net and ask them if Williams, or specifically Rick at PPS, is good with their marks and copyrights being given away or sold for a profit. Lee and Gordon had a license and Rick decided they didn't pay enough or something, but in any case, Williams/Bally schematics are free simply because Rick lets them be free. If he wanted, he could pull them back at any time.

By all means, go make some high quality scans at e.g. Staples ($2) or Kinkos ($6) and post them somewhere on the internet, and sit back and see what happens.

On other issues, did you fix your game?

But they're not.

Any time I've seen someone trying to get a freebie they've been referred to PBR. All other requests are by people trying to diagnose problems.

Which ones, for educational purposes?

Nobody is worried about anything but protecting their copyrights and licensees.

You may not like it but them's the rules.

He sells a bunch more Bally, Williams and Chicago Coin schematics. After all, they break way more often than Gottlieb games.

So, its certainly possible. Especially if a stronger than normal spring was used at one time.

I can see that, but this part doesn't stress the spring all that much. And given that it won't get the abuse it did on location a new part would almost certainly survive with no issues.

I've never seen it even in a clip location. Guess I've been fortunate on this one.

Agreed, a fresh part is the way to go IMO. Never been a fan of JB weld.

I too have bought 4 or 5 this year alone. I hear what some are saying but, if you had the licence to sell GTB parts [I thought PBR have the parent licence, might be wrong] and then your sales began to drop because, for whatever reason, other people began to share their stuff for free, how would you feel about that? Look at how some copied Bally stuff suddenly dropped off sale a few years back, once a few 'cease and desist' orders were sent out? The key thing here is, in my opinion, that if PBR were to loose revenue they [Steve] could be forgiven into thinking, hell, why bother to continue re-manufacturing key parts when others are making their own - probably inferior too-parts?
I've had an account with PBR since 2004 and have enjoyed being able to get pretty much anything I need from them. So for me, let's respect their copyright. By all means share a snippet to get someone out of trouble here on this site, but if they don't want a full copy displayed where it can be pirated, so be it.
That's a freebie owed, Steve

"Educational purposes," for educational purpose here, is part of the verbiage in copyright law under "fair use."

Honestly, if you are going to be in the hobby, and especially if you are going to concentrate on one brand (say, Gottlieb), you should buy a beater parts machine. I wish I had done that right off the bat, it probably would have saved me $500 or more over the last 10 years. In fact, every time I part a machine out, I sell a few parts to pay for it and end up with a ton of spares for other restorations.