This is exactly why I'm surprised Twd isn't more popular especially with Lyman's last update + Milgouse/Cleland sound package. The layout really has the best of both worlds, great flow mixed in with ball randomness mixed in with fun shots.

there wasnt much of any klunking going on at all with that mini pf that i saw. The returns were fast and smooth. Flow to me is how does the table react to missed shots? how about made shots? what about those half ass shots? The flow from ramp to mini pf to return lane was top notch if you didnt touch the ball. And if you did, flow was still present within the mini pf and made/missed shots with it. Ritchie is the king of flow and it shows. From pics, i also was with you in that a diverter should have been put in place on the ramp, but after seeing it in person i think he nailed it.

as for code; once the mini pf gets its well deserved attention im sure we'll see a different side of it.

The pros almost always get the better code out of the gate and the LE's typically always follow suit.

That all said i can only squeeze enough to go for a pro without selling TWD or STLE and simply put, thats not happening. I think both will play differently from each other but exceptional at the same. If i were deciding between premium, le, or pro - i'd wait and play it for myself no need to rush in that retrospect.

I'm not familiar with elvis but how you describe it is exactly what I saw in the videos. Sometimes ppl didn't flip the upper pf and the ball returned fast like a regular ramp. Obviously not as fast as the pro but it looked buttery smooth to me.

I was always curious about these kind of answers. Like how do you know? Not saying it is but rare resets may not always warrant the customer to notify someone to fix especially if they don't mind throwing in another buck and it doesn't reset again.

Prime example is I saw multiple people having lock ball trough issues on a TFLE just the other week on location. No one (not even myself) ever notified one of the floor persons. I just slapped the side of the game for the ppl playing it then it regiestered. Tons of ppl were playing that TFLE so with it bringing in so much money, it's doubtful the op is aware of any issues at all. No?

Are you guys sure a little 3 yr old didn't stealth his way past everyone and hold down the start button? That's what I found was causing my reset issues

Nice Dave. I don't know why I'm hesitating, but ready to pull the trigger on a pro too. Maybe I'm waiting to see and play a PREM.

grats on the purchase rob. Curious to hear your thoughts on the pin vs the others in your collection. Considering a GOT PRO myself.

Nice. Thanks for the quick response. Have you heard about orbit shots not always registering? Have you found that true on yours?

Wow GOT pro has 6 balls? I did not know this. Is there a 5 or 6 ball mb implemented?

Holy shit! Well done

So after a weekend of play how do you like GOT vs the other pins in your collection? I know it's still early but how do you feel overall? Anything you really dislike about it so far?
TIA
SKB

So for the current owners; I heard the outlanes were on medium or easy for the expo hence the long ball times and thought I heard Steve Ritchie decided to have the latest runs default the outlanes wide open. Is that true and/or are you guys experiencing long ball times with the outlanes open?

Is there a good balance of ball times to game progression that you can tell?

Thanks man!

This draws me away from picking up the pin (pro).

This draws me closer lol

Nice! I imagine the scoring in those mini wizard modes is based on how well you did in each mode, could you tell off your limited play?

That sucks rob. Hope it gets ironed out smoothly for you. When talking to tech support, did they mention or elude to this being a known issue?

They're called owner threads now
And metallica and TWD do kick ass! But I haven't played GOT yet sooooon I hope!

Im curious what yours and your wife's interpretation of the show is vs the pin? Did you guys expect nudity, whores, and sex? cause despite popular belief, GOT is not about this. It's about money & the balance of power which from what ive read, the game does a good integration of. But i still have not seen or played one so take that as you will; just wondering what they missed as far as theme integration goes.

Have you ever opened an nib? Most need some sort of tweaking one way or other.

After dinner? or did you get a diner too!?

Congrats!

Typically faster tables and more flow equates to shorter ball times as missed shots are typically designed to be more deadly (i.e. ACDC, ST, MET, etc...). The first thing i noticed on the initial pics on GOT's layout is missed shots did not look deadly. And im wondering if the outlane saver option is the cause for longer ball times too? Plus, i heard GOT's first shipped with the outlanes in middle position and are now shipping with them open. This is all speculative of course from what ive heard, and i havent played GOT yet.

I also wonder how the tournament settings are - is the outlane saver disabled or MUCH harder to light? It should be for tournament.

Good thing Steve Ritchie and Dwight retook ownership and held the bull by the horns to get ST to a killer state. Fizzle no longer

Avengers, TF, kiss....that's what happens when you don't ruffle feathers as a designer to get your pin the attention it deserves.

Hmmm and I read that as ...
Lyman
Lyman
Lyman
Lyman
He's killing it.

So the guys that have had their pros now for awhile, is GOT still kick ass?

Grats! Pro or LE?
Initial thoughts and reviews please

I wonder if your wireform ramp needs adjusting or a little realignment by loosening screws, adjust and tighten?

I think you just nailed it with this comment Snailman! I had a BDK that everyone said you'll hate it cause of the long ball times. Opened the outlanes, added LIGHTNING FLIPPERS and wham! BDK is one of the most fun pins ive ever owned to this day because of that. I even had lightning flippers on my SM and was loving that game at the time when i had them. I sometimes hit myself for putting regular bats back on, then selling the game a week later cause i hated the long ball times again (should have put the lightning flippers back on, doh!).

Fun factor top notch. Everything else was craptastic; and that stuff does irritate me for long term (sound, art, theme integration, etc...). So while I didn't want to sell my bdk at the time, an opportunity came up to trade it for a met premium and I jumped on it.

Now that I think about it, I think one other pin had a higher fun factor than bdk but also lacked in other areas as mentioned and that's BBH. That darn buck has got to be the funnest toy in pinball. Way better than the crane too cause of its randomness whereas the crane had fixed programming assignments.

Not sure why everyone thinks the codes gonna get abandoned so quickly. You have Dwight and Steve Ritchie on the job! only time I'd be worried on lack of code progression is if Lyman, Dwight, or Steve are not involved.

I'm sure there's more to come and a few surprises as well. Right now, I presume Dwight is focused strictly on bugs and scoring balances. Now that games are shipping they'll probably wait for the next phase of rules til they get lots of feedback and find a good direction to move forward with.

Personally, I want them to add Purchasable champions that add different kinds of scoring bonuses for the remainder of the ball. I won't go into detail as I already have in another thread. But more risk/reward type features are needed from my understanding of the game. And I haven't even played yet lol. But soon, very very soon!

A True Xmas pack?

So my GOT showed up at the local terminal today. I call to arrange shipping schedule and they said the pin wasn't on the truck when it got there! Not sure what to make of it, at first I laughed but now wondering what the hell happens if they never find it and how long I'll have to wait til it's rectified. Blah, this pretty much sums up my luck for 2015. Heres to Hoping 2016 is better. Lol.

Sounds like they found the pin. Will find out for sure tomorrow hopefully. Lol

Pro

Havent played either one; no fun in getting a pin after you played it

Few factors played in my role to get a pro:

1. Biggest factor: Funds! I would have had to sell STLE and dummy it down to a pro if i wanted GOT Prem/LE. Thats not happening especially since STLE is proven good. (ironically, im still considering doing this but going with a different pro to free up some funds for house modifications - trying to hold off doing that though lol) anyway....

2. I did use my pin funds to get IMVE. But i got bored of it quickly after the first few weeks and sold it before GOT's even hit the line.

3. Lots of differences in inserts and gameplay between these 2 versions (apparently anyway). Tons of great reviews on the pro from people i trust solidified by choice to go with it to replace my IMVE.

4. RobT is getting a premium so really no need to wait and see what version i'll like better. I'll play the pro and his premium a bunch and decide then if i need to upgrade or not and vice versa since he's not a big mini pf fan

...Now back to unboxing GOT!

No more pre drilled shaker motor holes?

So the artwork is clearly not as bad as everyone made it. Even the pro photoshopped characters looks decent. Definitely not better than the LE, but it works!

Now this has me laughing hysterically!!!! I'm still rolling. I propped up the headboard and here's the first thing I saw....
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It's a freakin head of a penis! Mezel mods save me please

So a couple other initial setup impressions:
- Even though the throne isn't used in the pro, it really does look awesome. Kudos to stern for adding it.
- the dragon looks incredible!
- pf art colors remind me a lot of potc.

Oh thank god you guys are right! The shaker is on the right side of the cab now haha. I'm so spoiled with the pre drilled holes

Omg hahahahahahahaha!

Looks like my pro shipped with the new pyramid protector. It looks great in person. The dragon overall is stellar!

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I agree; im really interested to see how the Prem/LE plays - the right ramp on the pro is HELLA FUN to hit. Not sure how the sword insert plays a role into the rules as ive only seen values of around 5-7 mil tops for it.

when you guys talk about pf multipliers, are you referring to the multipliers shown on the dmd or the 2x/3x/4x/5x pf insert multipliers?

I had the multipliers up to 10x on the dmd, not exactly sure how to increase them yet or how/when they reset back to 1x.

Think i got it. Then, you use the sword insert to increase the potential of your multipliers and the battering ram to collect so to speak?

I think I'm getting the hang of it

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Factory settings except 3 tilt warnings instead of 2. Medium tilt.

Though, I'm not sure how to light iron throne. I was fighting I believe the 3rd dragon so I believe iron throne lights after beating all 3 dragons?

In either case, something I'd like to see in a future update is more effects and sounds when you get WIC mb.

Yea. Read the rest. Someone mentioned spike system shaker is on the right. Super easy install. Say what you will about stern and spike but this has been the easiest, quickest setup of any pin I've ever had. Shaker was much easier to install than previous sterns with all the room given on the right side of the cab.

Dam this game does kick some ass. I love how it's both casual fun and very strategic all at the same time. It doesn't feel like work to progress in the game like a lot of pins are.

Shaker and sub really enhance the play, highly recommend.

Also, I put speech attenuation up to +8 to get the sound effects and music more pronounced. The speech really drowns out the cool effects a lot of the time. In fact, I may go higher on the speech attenuation but will wait til tomorrow for when I can really crank the volume.

Super easy! get the polk audio sub thats plastered all over pinside; probably best to wait til its on sale so you can get it for like $70 or something. You will need some speaker wire and either 2 alligator clips (what i used) or solder the connection. But basically run your speaker wire from the sub through the back of the bottom part of the pin through one of the opening and through the air vent shield over to the sub speaker in the cabinet. There's 2 terminals, positive and negative. When youre looking at the terminals, the furthest one is your NEG (-) and the closer terminal to the coin box is the POS (+). Hook up your alligator clips accordingly then hook up your NEG & POS to the INPUT of the polk sub. Flip the sub to auto and adjust the volume to your liking. Its super easy. And the shaker was extremely easy to install, moreso than previous pre-drilled sterns. I got my shaker from Pinballlife - had easy to follow instructions to go with it. Be sure you buy the spike system shaker

Enjoy; i got 1+ bil 4 times last night all with house of baratheon LOL. Gotta dig into some of the other houses today

Just joined the 3 bil club as house of Tyrell!

man building up that multiplier and then rolling in some jackpots and mode shots can really pay off!

Happy new year and it's not even midnight yet!

Btw; how the heck do you beat house stark playing as greyjoy?

Workin those multipliers, stacks, and cashing it all in is where it's at! I'm so in the honeymoon phase right now but loving every minute of it. Time to actually do good in one of the wizard modes and push the 4 bil barrier!

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Wow good idea. Maybe try and build a 3, 4, or even 5X multiplier first?!

Hahaha. Top 10 players aren't allowed to play the brag game

What is Keith's HS? And is it factory with the outlanes open?

Good god. Thank goodness top 10 players are disqualified from bragging season

I just asked about the outlanes cause the first few runs of pros were shipped with outlanes in middle.

Nice Dave! Yea getting to hand the first time is intense. I been there a few times now and have no idea what to do, but thanks to LOTR_breath posting this from the bugs thread, it'll be a little more helpful

You guys need to read the code read me files if you have not. There's some great info in there...
Back in v1.03
- Each House completed before Hand starts will change or add to the rules
of the multiball.
- Targaryen will increase the base value of all shots
- Stark Will add a "Bonus Round" at the end of each set
- Baratheon will increase from 4 shots needed to all 7 shots.
- Lannister will increase the starting value of the SJP Hurry Up
- Greyjopy will subtract one set needed before SJP Hurry Up.
- Tyrell will increase the value of the Super Jackpot
- Martell - Each shot needs to be shot twice
v.1.16 added this
- Added more interesting rules to WINTER HAS COME
- 3 phases: HORDE, BOSS, FROZEN
- HORDE:
- 7 shots, shoot all to complete and start BOSS
- Each shot made starts or restarts a timer
- Each time the timer runs out one more shot is added back
- BOSS:
- 3 Shots individually timed are timing out fast
- If they all time out the boss will attack and you will be FROZEN
- Each time one is shot it will start a new shot timing out.
- 4 shots collect the SJP == the total of the 4 Winter Is Coming values
collected
- GOTO HORDE
- FROZEN:
- Shoot one shot within a small window to unfreeze and restart BOSS.
- If the time runs out go to HORDE
- Changed the number of Winter is coming needed from 7 to 4.
And in v.1.18
- Reduced the number of sets needed to "complete" Hand of the king from
4 to 3. Greyjoy still reduces it by 1 from 3 to 2.
- Changed the calculation that converts wildfire into jackpot value
for blackwater multiball. Jackpots are worth more with less wildfire.
This also increases the super jackpot values too.
- Tweaked how much gold you get from different areas of the game. If you
are not Lannister you will average less gold per ball.
- Increased how much gold is worth from bonus.
- Reduced how much Wall jackpots and super jackpots are worth
- Increased how much WINTER HAS COME Boss is worth.

Should be 1.18 for he pro. Those are pro read me files but should be the same as far as rules are concerned.

I was just 2 shots away from iron throne! One to finish the the final dragon shot, then one to the iron throne. Doh!

Got to play WHC though, what a cool mode. Trying to follow what I was doing in correlation to the rules above and even had 5 balls going, 3 trapped with left flipper and playing with 2 and totally whiffed hardcore lol.

There's a lot of good shit going on in this pin. Just afraid how I'll feel when the honeymoon phase is over; maybe buy a PREM/LE?

One of my biggest up front complaints on this pin is how loud the speech call outs were. I set speech attenuation to +18, music to -4, and added a sub. HUGE difference! Night and day.

Also, I noticed spike system has bass and treble settings in the utilities menu! That's pretty bad ass. I raised bass up to 100, and treble down to 75. Crank it up and shaken the house.

So I've been playing with my sound settings. Right now I'm at...
Music attwnuation: +3
Speech attenuation: +21
Bass: 100
Treble: 75

What this does is level out the loud call outs but also raises the overall sound effects a few notches like the battering ram hits, jackpots, etc... Intensifying the overall feel of shots and progression.

Would like to hear other thoughts and sound levels. Mine is stock speakers with external sub.

Nice scores guys! I haven't broke much past the 3 bil plane yet

Yea I've backd down on my speech a lot yesterday. Think I'm at +15 or +16.
the call outs are really good and I like them a lot. But there's one call out that I can't stand and makes me shriek everytime I hear it, when the chick says "Get the super jackpot". Just something with the way she says it that rubs me the wrong way. All her other call outs are top notch.

I'm pretty much factory settings with tilt warnings at 3 instead of 2. Tilt is medium. Outlanes wide.

Since I loaded new code Thursday, here's what my audits look like:

Total Plays: 105
Average score: 860 mil
GC: 6.4 bil
Game times are all over the place (which is really good). Highest was 16 games in the 6-8 minute range. I had 8 games at 15+ minutes. And 22 games in between those 2 audits.

Overall, the game times do not feel long or excessive, even the 15+ min games are a blast and continued progression through long games is a big plus on the rules and code.

Here's some other interesting audits:
- My left and right drains are near identical: big plus IMO
- Ball searches: 0; another huge plus but I did have a stuck ball on a plastic from an air ball
- Right flipper is heavily used 50% more than left.
- I'm nearly exactly at 10% extra balls awarded

Good lord no wonder you're launching balls into orbit!
Maybe I'll throw a couple war and peace books under my back legs and see if I can keep the ball in play for more than a minute

I'm at 6.9 pitch

I use the clinometer app with my iPad mini. Seems more accurate than the digital torpedo level I have. The app doesn't work well with iPhone though. Digital torpedo level purchased at sears.

If I play greyjoy, I definitely try to knock out Martell to get the add a ball. I also like finishing Stark to get the WIC bonuses, but I still don't exactly know how to fish stark while in Greyjoy so becomes tough.

My highest score is still with Martell (6.4B) and using that add a ball in HOTK and WHC modes. It's such a huge bonus cause I can practically build up my multipliers risk free knowing I have an add a ball. One time I forgot I was House Martell having a great game and on ball 3, lost both balls in multiball and slammed the iron bank in frustration and got 3 balls back, then proceeded to pull off an epic game.

I've tried, and want to accomplish one day, going with Tyrell; then, complete Targaryan before HOTK as Targaryan increases all base value shots during HOTK. I wonder if the reward is worth the risk.

Speaking of Tyrell, I haven't quite followed, what exactly do the inlanes do? Do they just boost the starting combo to 3x? Or does it do more? (Hard to read dmd when the game is so fast lol).

Game of thrones Pinball:
So good, it'll make people rape each other over it.

So I got the sub hooked up and bass at +105 and volume cranking since wife and kids are outside. Wife comes into the room to grab a soda and says, "wow! That's really loud". All I could say was "thanks!" And think about this in the back of my mind....

Dude! I did the same thing the other day lol. Got done playing, went into the kitchen where my niece was watching a show on her phone, and I'm like 'oh cool you're watching game of thrones" and she's like what? I'm like "ya that music is game of thrones." She's like what music. Lol

I can't wait to play a PREM. I'd definitely hold out til you play the PREM though. The right ramp and overall flow on the pro is awesome. Lots of reported issues with the LE so far which seem to be getting hashed out, but the right ramp air balls on the LE are concern for me. It's a fun feel good shot to go from right orbit to right ramp on the pro. So At this point, I'd try to hold off on a PREM til some of these issues get resolved or go away.

This is a good point. It's not hard to upgrade from a pro to a PREM later on. Just dont go too mod crazy, it's easier and quicker to move a stock game than a modded pro....depending where you live and such. I have a feeling I'm gonna end up with both a pro and PREM for a few months before I decide. But holding out til some friends get there prems

I thought someone finally fixed that? and hopefully stern is reading and will modify in future premium runs?

Nice. Bug fix update! Wtg Dwight!

So question I've been meaning to ask. Battering Ram: do you guys have issues gettingit to register with the left flipper? Seems my right flipper works fine for the most part on it, but left flipper shots hardly register. Wonder if this is by design or not but doesn't seem so. Would be nice to get consistent hits on both flippers. I may have to dig into the mech and see what can be done, but kinda waiting on mezels ram mod before doing so.

This is a GOT kicks ass thread. I wonder what people will tell you

That said, I have an STLE and it's been gathering cobwebs since I got GOT PRO 2 weeks ago. STLE is one of my favorites and I actually did play one game of it after GOT; and it just seemed to be lacking in the progression and build up dept that GOT has.

GOT PRO is looking to be a true champ. Rules aren't hard to follow and they are average as far as depth is concerned, but they are very wide in that it has a ton of breadth if that makes sense. All achievable wizard modes, fast gameplay, great flow, and tons of strategy.

I'd go GOT PRO over ST PRO and this is from an STLE fan and owner.

I think you nailed it spot on.

To add; GOT has faster gameplay and ball times for the most part. So by the time you see 1,2, or even 3 wizard modes in it, you could just be getting to Kobayashi Maru in ST which is 1/3 of total progression.

There's just a lot more to offer in GOT than ST. But I just got a red tremor for my ST for giggles, so once I knock this flu bug out of me, I plan to install it and give ST another roll. Mind you, i have had STLE for 2+ years now and it has lasted longer than many other great titles (ACDC and MET to name a few), even the TWD I just got couldn't pull me away from STLE. Could GOT PRO be the game that knocks it off its throne?

If I judged GOT PRO on its first 10 plays, I'd Put it in the pass dept. RobT even text me an hour after I set it up asking my initial thoughts, and let me tell you - they were not pretty and I was about to shut the pin down and call it a day. But I updated the code (forgot what it shipped with), and the next 10 plays, it all came together. It was night and day and now I can't stop playing it, but I'll try just to see if it can be done

There's fast games, then there's long games. Im curious which house you selected to have the long ball time?

According to my audits...

I had 8 games in 105 that were 15+ mins long. Thats a good average; this is factory with medium tilt - open outlanes. I agree, tightening the tilt may be needed on this machine. Its easy to play the outlanes (thats not a bad thing IMO).

So I got an idea for 2 cool features, wondering what you guys think :

1. An option (similar to the casual mode), but when you're choosing your house, have a way to randomize it. Could be fun for league play or casual competition as I suspect league play (and maybe tournament play), players are more compelled to pick house Martell or Greyjoy?

2. After you get to and play the iron throne and the table resets, have all the shots that represent each house shuffle randomly except targaryan (that always remains as the kickback shot). Just something quirky for when you beat the game, so the center Lannister shot may now become Tyrell and vice versa. Some may remain the same . It would also make the game slightly harder at this point adapting to new shots.

Anyway, just a thought.

I need to verify but I don't think the Tyrell inlane progressively increments the combo multipliers. Sometimes a sound is hears when it rolls over the lit inlane and sometimes it doesnt. I think the times it does it starts the multipliers at 3x. And the times it doesn't no effect is taken. Need to confirm this.

And to my post above. Forgot about tyrell, I'm sure that's a popular choice too for competition.

That's not what I meant but certainly does make 10X more sense to randomly select the house and all players play that house. That actually sounds pretty bitchin!

I've only back handed the dragon kicker a handful of times and I can't say any time was intentional. Too easy to go left flipper to center ramp to setup a dragon shot rather than try to backhand that.

Beauty about this game is I have never had the desire to post past from flipper to flipper. And not only is the right ramp a good setup shot for the left flipper, but that right ramp is hell of fun when gameplay is moving lightning fast. I couldn't imagine not having that shot on the LE. Definitely one of the first things I'll he dissecting when I play a premium.

And yes rare hero, the premium I plan on playing is from the ghost formerly known as RobT

I got the flu so not looking very promising

I'm gonna wait it out a bit. Gotta survive tax season first then see lol.

Get a shaker and external sub for both. protectors are fairly over rated for home use. But there is a sparky plastic protector someone makes that covers above the sparky magnet to prevent air balls. I highly recommend it. You may want to ask in the Metallica thread, I forgot who made em.

So regarding ram registering hits. The pro appears to be different than the LE as it has spacers, so up and down movement isn't an issue.

That said, here's what I did to help with hits.

1. I adjusted the switch to make it a bit more sensitive. This helped a lot and step 2 is only optional if you want that extra little bit of consistency.

2. Under the playfield where the ram sits is a plastic piece for the Rams travel. I cut a piece of drop dead ball foam and stuck it inside where the ram is at the resting position. This positions the ram only a fraction of a butthair closer to the target. See pics

Pic 1: original resting position of ram.

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Pic 2: new resting position of ram. You can see it's barely even changed. But seems just enough to give it enough 'umph' from left flipper hits.

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Pic 3: under playfield with playfield in upright position resting on backboard. This is the ram up/down plastic piece. The little black foam in the pic is Drop dead ball foam that I cut to fit the space.

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I'm not saying this the end all be fix. But it's improved hits by 90%! It's night and day now that I can actually incororate pf multipliers into gameplay. Definitely a risk/reward hit whereas it's easy to lose a ball from it but got a 4X going during HOTK that ended in a 1.7 bil HOTK multiball.

So I got some more games in on this. And another adjustment will be needed may try to make the switch even more sensitive but bottom line that I notice is the black rubber piece in front of the ram doesn't always allow the ball to hit the ram into the target depending on the angle at which its hit from the flipper. Not sure if this is by design or not. But I'm happier I'm at least getting more successfully ram hits, even if it isn't 100%.

I can't.....stop.....playing....game of thrones!!!

I felt the same way at first. It took about a dozen solid back to back plays in a home use environment before it started clicking.

There are times when you want to select only one, or 2, or even none. Perfect examples of passing is that you may be only one WIC hurry up away from starting winter has come. Or you have multipliers going and would rather use them on your WIC Hurryups as they affect your winter has come super jp.

Many reasons to only choose one house. Typically for me, it's when I know im only or 2 shots away from completing (targaryan or Greyjoy ). I usually always do Targaryan 1 by itself cause its 3 shots and you're finished. Another example may be that you have 3 houses complete, so with only 1 house to go to light hand of the king, you may just play one house in hopes to complete it fast and move on to the HOTK.

Another variable to factor in is where you're at on balls locked or wall mb. So if you're at 2 balls locked, you may want to do 2 houses that have longer timers then start a mb.

Another reason to pass is if you want to get more houses lit first so you can get better house stacks with multipliers. For example, Baratheon stacked with Martell is good. Or Lannister with Greyjoy.

The last variable to factor in is what houses do you want complete for HOTK. Each house gives you different bonuses. I'm just starting to just dig into and understand the perks of each. But if you light a house that you don't want it's HOTK bonus, then you'll typically pass on it.

So bottom line is balancing your wizard modes. Do you want to progress towards HOTK with specific houses? Or do you want to advance to winter has come quicker? Lastly, get a right combination of houses stacked with a multiball.

One other thing. The rules aren't really that difficult to understand. And while The rules may seem to lack depth (but they really dont for the quick pace nature of the game ); but they do have a ton of breadth. If that makes sense.

The other day I was playing and had a final targaryan shot with the pf 4X running. This was just after a multiball if I remember correctly, and when I looked up at the DMD with a cradled right flipper, it showed the dragon shot combo multiplier at 20X! So excited and pumped to think 20x combo + 4x pf multiplier on a final targaryan shot (think it was targaryan 2), and I choked the shot to the dragon!

But does this mean if I made the shot in would have gotten an 80x mixed to my final shot? That would have been insane!!!!! Why did I miss that shot!! Hahahaha.

Ah that makes total sense. So The DMD doesn't just show the combo multiplier, but rather the entire shots' multiplier worth based on combos and pf. I'll keep that in mind next time I'm looking at the DMD multipliers. Learn something new everyday!

I guess I don't feel so bad for missing an 80x shot! Haha. But a 20x targaryan shot would have been nice!

If I'm understanding the rules right, the max you can get the combo multiplier to is 5x and the max the pf multiplier can get to is 5x. But my original assessment of house Tyrell was wrong and that the HOTK inlane can bump the combo multiplier by 1x if available from collecting the swords. Additionally, HOTK mb gives the inlane boost to all houses so during that mode, you can build it to 6x with any house. Then add the pf multiplier and you can get shots as high as 30x!! That sound about right?

Haha. I love chess and used to love math.... before I did drugs
But the rules are easier than it sounds. Sort of. I mean the basic construct is there and is easy to follow. I've had the game a little over 2 weeks, and just starting to wrap my head around the combo/mixed multipliers as well as HOTK bonuses. Not to mention learning the multiballs. But that's what brings games to the next level, just look at Lyman's rules for metallicas multiballs and CIU modes. Confusing as hell but the basic construct is easy to follow.

Edit: but in all honesty, it really is an easy to follow ruleset. I was confused as hell at first too for the first dozen or so games, but once you wrap your head around it, it's pretty straight forward and a fun ruleset to understand.

Pf multiplier too I believe? Think the max pf multiplier you can get without collecting one sword is 3x

Congrats! Yes, Gio is very good to work with and so responsive. Top notch guy.

Dude I totally felt this way my first dozen games. It felt very thin as you said and I was shellshocked on what to think about the game. Then, the rules became more apparent and the design coupled with the rules all started clicking. Loving ever since.

One other thing that hasn't gotten much mention and I've been really loving a lot lately is Rory McCann (The Hound) call outs! They are amazing and fits so well for this game and pinball in general. He nailed it!

The girl (forgot her name sorry), did a really good job too! Although she does have one call out that sort of bugs me, her call outs compliment the hound very well. but holy helol the hound is top notch fun and exciting!

I think it's a fair assessment to say it could use another layer and the game could use some more overall choreography; example - start of WHC mb and Transitions during WHC needs more.

I'm also not a big fan of some of the animation and show call outs used for modes; they seem a little empty at times. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what's needed to make it better. So the game does need some beef around the edges to bring it all together.

Yea. That's a good point. A call out and/or cool sound effects are needed for that HOTK sjp.

On a side note, completing house stark can be quite beneficial during HOTK. After the SJP, there's a 20 second bonus round frenzy and just the other night I got the bonus round going and cradled a ball on the left flipper and was shooting center shots with the right. After a few shots, each shot was awarding 120 mil! It was fun fun stuff. Ended with a 1.7 bil HOTK. Hope to see HOTK and WHC champion table in a future patch

EDIT: but holy hell, is it me or is GOT pro a tough game to keep a multiball alive? Fast and fun!

I'm right around 6.8 deg. I need to recheck it this weekend but that seems to be my happy spot with all my pins.

So I did two things to help with this:
1. Used a leaf adjusting tool to make the switch contact slightly more sensitive. You have to give it a very small adjustment, too much and you'll get double ram hits.

2. Inside the goodie bag I found a stern sticker. So I put a piece of drop dead ball foam on the ram target which brings the target a few millimeters closer to the ram, then put the stern sticker on so I can literally bash stern hahaha

This pic isn't the greatest, I had to brighten it up so you can see it better but you get the point. I now get 99% hits with right flipper and 90-95% success with left flipper shots.

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Add Iron throne to the list of modes that needs call outs and attention too. It was hard to watch the dmd and play iron throne but the animations looked awesome and so did the rules. But sound effects and call outs were lacking hard.

Oh, and WHC is missing a SJP sound/call out too.

So the game overall definitely needs some beefing up and hopefully it's coming. But the rules to all the modes, especially multiballs are awesome and well written!

Bottom line:

WHC
HOTK
IRON THRONE

All need a lot of attention to sound effects and call outs. But the rules to these 3 modes are great and much different than what we've seen in past sterns. It's refreshing to see. Just hope we get some beef to them soon

Very Nicely done!! I just played iron throne tonight too. You did much better than I lol
Seems like a really sweet mode.