GoT has to be the worst light show in pinball

Got my Game of thrones pro today. Played a couple test games and the game is pretty fun. The artwork looks way better in person.

However, the game light show is absolutely terrible. I've seen dark games and games that have poor color choices. But this one takes the cake. It has no spotlights like usual sterns. Instead, it has a bunch of flashers. Flashers! The game is constantly pulsing the GI and adding flasher effects. The light show works against you as the player.

If you find it fun to have challenge added to the game not by tight shots but instead by blinding, pulsing, and strobing lights, then this game is for you. My friend was dizzy after playing.

I can't wait to get started on fixing this problem. Will update this thread with what gets done. (Problem is quite solvable).

Edit: I will say that the clear coat was one of the nicest and thickest I've ever seen on a stern.

#2 8 years ago

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jayhawkai

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I got rid of a game because of this (JP's flashing GI). Hope they fix it in the code.

#3 8 years ago

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Quoted from markmon:
Edit: I will say that the clear coat was one of the nicest and thickest I've ever seen on a stern.

Exactly what I thought - really impressive.

Didn't notice the GI as it was a well lit room. Inserts were very colorful.

#4 8 years ago

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John1210

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Awesome. Cant wait to blast this out and kill my retinas. TWD was heading that way and KISS can put on a fair light show when it wants too. Im guessing though the problem is when they are flashing?

Stern haven't had spot lights on their games since mustang and that was for the car only not on the slings. As for flashers may be possible to switch em out, place a dampening film over the bulb etc, use uv. There are option for the players that don't like it but I love that stuff so I wont be touching a thing. That said though if there are enough complaints Stern will address it in coding I'll wager in the future.

#5 8 years ago

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John1210

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Quick question. Are you having issues with the sword lock releasing more balls then it should? And also ive heard that the right orbit rejects shots quite a bit?

#6 8 years ago

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I generally don't like flashers in any game. Here's what I do:
1) Turn the flasher brightness to the minimum in the menu
2) For LED flashers, I apply a Sharpie to all but a few LEDs. (I learned this trick from Melissa at Cointaker.)
3) Yellow LEDs are generally very dim. I use yellow LED flashers where possible.
4) Blue LEDs can be very harsh on the eyes. I generally replace them with white flashers and let the lens do the coloring.

I realize you are describing a design problem, but I hope this can help you enjoy your game better.

#7 8 years ago

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I thought I heard a comment out of Expo that the game's lighting was more intense than they thought in a dark room and it would be addressed in software.

#8 8 years ago

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markmon

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Hey guys. Thanks for the suggestions but I already know how to fix this thing up and will make modifications to enjoy my game. I was just shocked how absolutely unplayable it was stock.

#9 8 years ago

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Quoted from frolic:
I thought I heard a comment out of Expo that the game's lighting was more intense than they thought in a dark room and it would be addressed in software.

I believe it was mentioned in the update readme.

I'm all for the bright lighting effects, but there probably should be a menu option to tone it down if a user wants. Ambient lighting may be a big factor in how it all appears too.

Rob

#10 8 years ago

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That happened with my DH after I put LED flashers in it. You have to have bright light to play it. My TFTC is bad also.

#11 8 years ago

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ST has some obnoxious flashers after the last update. Even though it blinded me and cost me some drains, I still liked it. After a while I got used to it and can easily play through the flashers even in the dark. A good, vibrant light show is vital for modern pinball IMO. It attracts people to the game and adds to gameplay. That said, I understand that some of our eyes are more sensitive than others. Hopefully, Stern can address all this with simple settings. If not, shouldn't be hard to swap bulbs for less bright versions.

#12 8 years ago

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Played this on location and during multiball the flashers are so intense it's hard to keep track of everything.

#13 8 years ago

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Personally I don't care for all the bright white LED GI lighting. And of course we have no option now of changing it to different color or shade/warmth level of bulbs. Stern has made it kind of easy to "just say no" based on my personal preferences. JJP did the same thing with Hobbit, and it made it easy to just say no also. It seems that WOZ was among the last of the games not being aggravating with GI lighting, and possibly the last of the Stern games before the Spike system. JMHO...

#14 8 years ago

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Quoted from markmon:
Instead, it has a bunch of flashers. Flashers!

No way!

A Steve Ritchie game with a bunch of flashers ??

#15 8 years ago

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lol

#16 8 years ago

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hmmmmmmmmmm..that's about it.

#17 8 years ago

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Have you tried turning them down?
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#18 8 years ago

Shapeshifter

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It's the ultra bright 2 led bulbs that you can see through the inserts that do my head in. Too bright!

#19 8 years ago

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Quoted from Luckydogg420:
Have you tried turning them down?
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Barely noticeable difference

At expo it was easy to play in a well lit room

In a dark game room it can be brutal at times

#20 8 years ago

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Best mod for GOT.

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#21 8 years ago

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Quoted from joekiss:
That happened with my DH after I put LED flashers in it. You have to have bright light to play it. My TFTC is bad also.

Agree about TFTC. I simply removed a few flasher bulbs and it made a huge difference.

#22 8 years ago

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Quoted from playernumber4:
Personally I don't care for all the bright white LED GI lighting. And of course we have no option now of changing it to different color or shade/warmth level of bulbs. Stern has made it kind of easy to "just say no" based on my personal preferences.

No spotlights, and no option to change out the GI, even on the pro? Definitely makes it a "no" for me.

#23 8 years ago

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o-din

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Wonder where these pinball companies ever came up with the idea to replace all the incandecant bulbs with LEDs.

#24 8 years ago

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Quoted from o-din:
Wonder where these pinball companies ever came up with the idea to replace all the incandecant bulbs with LEDs.

It seems like some sort of a conspiracy

#25 8 years ago

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Quoted from Hi-Fi:
Played this on location and during multiball the flashers are so intense it's hard to keep track of everything.

There is medium ambient light at my GOT location and the intense strobe lights are way too much. ST seems like it has incandescent bulbs compared to GoT.

#26 8 years ago

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Quoted from swampfire:
No spotlights

There's a spotlight on each sling. More on the castle if you get an LE/pre

#27 8 years ago

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Quoted from Luckydogg420:
There's a spotlight on each sling. More on the castle if you get an LE/pre

Ah, cool - I was going by Markmon's comment. Is the GI still socketed on the Pro?

#28 8 years ago

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Quoted from Luckydogg420:
There's a spotlight on each sling. More on the castle if you get an LE/pre

Those are flashers on the slings

#29 8 years ago

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Interesting didn't notice it at the expo. However I had to tone down (replace) 4 flashers on Mustang. It was pretty brutal especially to guests.

#30 8 years ago

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Glad I sprang for the Premium and didn't buy the Pro machine that was produced with the worst ever lightshow.

#31 8 years ago

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Quoted from centerflank:
Glad I sprang for the Premium and didn't buy the Pro machine that was produced with the worst ever lightshow.

GoT is Beta code ffs so expect the Spike system together with the flashers available on the game to put out a great show when the code is polished. I had the pro St and Prem. I preferred the pro for gameplay and light show. Don't really care for the whole rgb stuff that goes on with the those games. Really adds little imo. I sold both but if I bought St again I would get the pro. Faster like the GoT pro

#32 8 years ago

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Quoted from John1210:
GoT is Beta code ffs so expect the Spike system together with the flashers available on the game to put out a great show when the code is polished. I had the pro St and Prem. I preferred the pro for gameplay and light show. Don't really care for the whole rgb stuff that goes on with the those games. Really adds little imo. I sold both but if I bought St again I would get the pro. Faster like the GoT pro

I dunno, my GOT premium is supposed to arrive around christmas time, is this a Star Trek thread? Are they the same game?

#33 8 years ago

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Quoted from playernumber4:
Personally I don't care for all the bright white LED GI lighting. And of course we have no option now of changing it to different color or shade/warmth level of bulbs. Stern has made it kind of easy to "just say no" based on my personal preferences. JJP did the same thing with Hobbit, and it made it easy to just say no also. It seems that WOZ was among the last of the games not being aggravating with GI lighting, and possibly the last of the Stern games before the Spike system. JMHO...

So you can change all the GI bulbs. The plastics are mostly brown. Warm white looks fantastic in this game.

#34 8 years ago

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Quoted from markmon:
So you can change all the GI bulbs. The plastics are mostly brown. Warm white looks fantastic in this game.

Let me tell you how to fix it.......

#35 8 years ago

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I seriously hope that Stern does not tone down the lighting due to a few complaints. I love the light show on GoT. Play through the pain!

#36 8 years ago

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pinballlife

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.....loving the game play and shot multipliers on this machine as well.

#37 8 years ago

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Quoted from pinballlife:
I seriously hope that Stern does not tone down the lighting due to a few complaints. I love the light show on GoT. Play through the pain!

I like a bright light show as well and think the Pro plays great. Lightshow always improves in code updates and GI bulbs are simple to change to personalize it if need be.

#38 8 years ago

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Are all the flashers now those LED boards? Most were LED boards in KISS and I thought they were inferior in brightness to socket type LED flashers.

Rob

#39 8 years ago

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the darker the room, the more led's hurt your eyes. must have lights turned way up in the room. at expo (tourney area in the bright hallway) it was fine to me, and i really dont like leds.

#40 8 years ago

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Quoted from vid1900:
No way!
A Steve Ritchie game with a bunch of flashers ??

Steve Ritchie games do not usually replace spotlights with flashers. This is not a common thing and has never been done before on a stern.

Quoted from Rob_G:
Are all the flashers now those LED boards? Most were LED boards in KISS and I thought they were inferior in brightness to socket type LED flashers.
Rob

The flashers are 5v led flasher bulbs in 906 or 89 sockets. They're not compatible with regular bulbs or existing led flashers since they run at 5v. I was able to replace the 89 bright white spinner flasher with a 555 socket and a blue bulb and it looks great now.

#41 8 years ago

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Quoted from markmon:
Steve Ritchie games do not usually replace spotlights with flashers. This is not a common thing and has never been done before on a stern.

I was just teasing you because SR is known to go asscrazy with flashers.

#42 8 years ago

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