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Google Stadia. What do you think?


By RyanStl

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#1 6 months ago

I'm in the market for a new gaming system for the kids this year for Christmas. Bringing out my old PS2 and testing to put up for sale on Craigslist has my kids saying they are tired of the Wii and want to keep the PS2. I'm thinking we finally move on and want something less Wii like, because the kids are getting older. Last night I came acroos Google Stadia. It's a WiFi controller that uses a Chromecast to play real video games streaming. The processing is all done on Google's end. To me this is great because no console cost that will be outdated eventually. However, does the community believe this is viable way to game right now? Should I stay away?

For $129 pre-order you get the controller and a Chromecast Elite. Extra controllers will be $70. It's very tempting. Might I add it's pre-order, which is a nasty word these days.

#2 6 months ago

I preordered months ago but mostly on novelty, I have the current gaming systems so this would supplement more than anything (maybe take on trips). I am not worried about preorder, it is google. The big question is how will software developers support it. If they can get a steady stream of A list games then it may do very well, if no one make any games for it then it will fail.

Google has a lot of very good ideas, they also have a few that didn't work out (google glass). Never bad to have more options and I am going to give it a try. Not a huge investment at least to start.

Stadia will be very internet speed dependent so that is a consideration, all the horsepower is remote.

#3 6 months ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

The processing is all done on Google's end. To me this is great because no console cost that will be outdated eventually. However, does the community believe this is viable way to game right now? Should I stay away?

The WiFi controller connects directly to googles processor. I bet there will be lag or delay depending on your internet service. Everything will be streamed to you, you’ll need fast, reliable, unlimited internet. Google has a history of cancelling services without giving much notice to the customers. If this isn’t as popular as they want it could end abruptly.

Most gaming YouTube channels are skeptical of this success.

#4 6 months ago

Just look at all of the previous google services that have been shutdown in the past. Then remember you don’t own anything with this service, so a decade from not you might not have access to your save files. It will work as long as the servers are running.

https://gcemetery.co/

#5 6 months ago

It a gimmick that won’t last long .

#6 6 months ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

Bringing out my old PS2 and testing to put up for sale on Craigslist

I'm sure people will be tripping over themselves to buy that.

#7 6 months ago

I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. There is a monthly service fee of $9.99 and without it your new toy is a brick.

If your kids are 10 or under go with a Nintendo Switch. Mario Party, Mario Kart, Zelda Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey.

If your kids are 11 or older go with a XBOX One or PS4. Both systems have monthly subscription services available for a fee (pay monthly and get access to 200-300 games) or you can just buy games and play them as much as you want. Those systems also have the ability to pay for older system games.

#8 6 months ago

Google does have a history of killing off products that don't last, however, for paid content they usually bend over backwards to allow you to download and migrate to a new service (typically a new product they have made).

The items in the google cemetery, are, for the most part, free services that were rolled into other services or products.

I suspect this will be very nice, especially for travel. Lag is a major concern. Games have a couple of interesting selections that I'm interested in - RDR2 and Baldur's Gate 3. I also preordered, to see how it goes... the cost of the Chromecast Ultra makes up a portion of the preorder price and can be used for other things.

Regarding the pay service - that is only for the 4K streams. 1080p is free as much as you like (you just need the controller and a chromecast device or Pixel phone), the major disappointment is that you then need to purchase the games - there is no netflix-style option - yet.

All that said, I wouldn't want to use an untested system like this as my primary driver just yet. Gonna wait and see how good it is before making major investments. I use Steam in-home and internet streaming and PS4 remote play often, and they are worlds apart in lag and reliability.

#9 6 months ago

Not worth it, I see it as a gimmick at this time. For one you don't actually own the games with a monthly subscription service. If you buy games digitally on the platform you still don't really own them, you are just paying for a cloud platform to host them (same as a majority of digital content). If the platform goes away in a few years so do your purchases.

Also, digital games on the primary platforms (XBOX, Sony, Nintnedo) typically cost more then what you can find a physical version of the game for. Buying used physical versions of games won't be an option either. For example Red Dead Redemption 2 is coming to Google Stadia...for $60. The game has been out on PS4 and XBOX for a year and you can get a new physical copy for $30 or less.

A cloud gaming platform is also dependent on your internet connection. If your connection speed varies throughout the day, or if theres an outage then no gaming. Even if you have a good internet connection you may not have enough bandwidth if theres multiple other people in the house using the internet at the same time. Suddenly the 4k game is down sampled to 1080p or 720p.

Finally the user community on Google Stadia is going to be barely a fraction of what Xbox and Playstation have. If your kids want to play games with friends that won't be an option.

Personally I would recommend picking up a Playstation 4 pro around Black Friday for $350 or so, maybe a bit more if theres a good bundle.

#10 6 months ago

Our Apple TV just did this too, rolled out games as of yesterday. We did NOT subscribe!

#11 6 months ago
Quoted from Atari_Daze:

Our Apple TV just did this too, rolled out games as of yesterday. We did NOT subscribe!

I think the Apple arcade games are downloadable and playable offline. Although that could be one of the other games as a service models I've seen recently.

There are a bunch of these now

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjOitPXwYrlAhXGvZ4KHQBhBLUQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theverge.com%2F2019%2F4%2F18%2F18274498%2Fgame-streaming-services-pc-mac-ps4-android-cloud-google-stadia&psig=AOvVaw2roRtxKFheM6H5RGwiowom&ust=1570550233975098

#12 6 months ago

You need fiber to run game smoothly, I tried it recently at a trade show WITH the server sitting in the booth and you could still feel the lag. Its not ready for primetime, and there are too few people out there at least in the USA with access to Fiber.

#13 6 months ago

Im glad this thread came up.. cancelled my preorder

#14 6 months ago
Quoted from sataneatscheese:

I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. There is a monthly service fee of $9.99 and without it your new toy is a brick.
If your kids are 10 or under go with a Nintendo Switch. Mario Party, Mario Kart, Zelda Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey.
If your kids are 11 or older go with a XBOX One or PS4. Both systems have monthly subscription services available for a fee (pay monthly and get access to 200-300 games) or you can just buy games and play them as much as you want. Those systems also have the ability to pay for older system games.

I would argue that the Nintendo Switch has plenty of games for more mature gamers as well. It's really the exclusives that you should look at. PS4 has had a bunch of big games in the last few years, and a few more to come before the end of its cycle (Last of Us 2!!!!). For younger kids though, the Switch is definitely more suited to them as the games are much more kid friendly.

#15 6 months ago

Thanks all for your sentiment, which pretty much matches what I thought, but when I told the wife she got excited about not having a console, so I was looking again. Hence, starting this thread. I was actually surprised there wasn't one already.

I did the internet test and according to Google we are fine, but who knows in practice. I'm just going to sit back and see what prices are between Thanksgiving and Christmas with Playstation or Xbox and see what people say about Stadia. I was hoping the PS5 and new Xbox were coming out this year, so I could snag a really cheap PS4 or Xbox One. It's looking like they are shooting for 2020 Christmas instead.

My kids want a Switch, but it just looks way too much like the Wii we have had for 10 yrs. Same reason I didn't get a Wii U. How many super smash bros, mario, mario carts can we buy? The console converting to handheld means nothing to me because the kids all have tablets anyway if they want portable gaming. I would like to get back to Playstation or maybe try an Xbox. I have no loyalty to either.

#16 6 months ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

I'm in the market for a new gaming system for the kids this year for Christmas. Bringing out my old PS2 and testing to put up for sale on Craigslist has my kids saying they are tired of the Wii and want to keep the PS2. I'm thinking we finally move on and want something less Wii like, because the kids are getting older. Last night I came acroos Google Stadia. It's a WiFi controller that uses a Chromecast to play real video games streaming. The processing is all done on Google's end. To me this is great because no console cost that will be outdated eventually. However, does the community believe this is viable way to game right now? Should I stay away?
For $129 pre-order you get the controller and a Chromecast Elite. Extra controllers will be $70. It's very tempting. Might I add it's pre-order, which is a nasty word these days.

Google is bad and getting worse by the year for privacy abuses. Stadia is lame. Less Google in your life is a good thing.

Get a real console, or better yet, get a nice video card for your PC and Steamlink and stream PC games to your TV. That's the ultimate solution.

#17 6 months ago
Quoted from BillySastard:

I'm sure people will be tripping over themselves to buy that.

Ha, I guess you aren't interested. It sat for 10 yrs at the in-laws with all the other old consoles and my son saw it and brought it back home. We couldn't find the games until a few days ago. We have had interest, but no actual shows yet after being on CL for a few days. We'll see, it's amazing what have been able to sell on CL for okay money.

#18 6 months ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Not worth it, I see it as a gimmick at this time. For one you don't actually own the games with a monthly subscription service. If you buy games digitally on the platform you still don't really own them, you are just paying for a cloud platform to host them (same as a majority of digital content). If the platform goes away in a few years so do your purchases.
Also, digital games on the primary platforms (XBOX, Sony, Nintnedo) typically cost more then what you can find a physical version of the game for. Buying used physical versions of games won't be an option either. For example Red Dead Redemption 2 is coming to Google Stadia...for $60. The game has been out on PS4 and XBOX for a year and you can get a new physical copy for $30 or less.
A cloud gaming platform is also dependent on your internet connection. If your connection speed varies throughout the day, or if theres an outage then no gaming. Even if you have a good internet connection you may not have enough bandwidth if theres multiple other people in the house using the internet at the same time. Suddenly the 4k game is down sampled to 1080p or 720p.
Finally the user community on Google Stadia is going to be barely a fraction of what Xbox and Playstation have. If your kids want to play games with friends that won't be an option.
Personally I would recommend picking up a Playstation 4 pro around Black Friday for $350 or so, maybe a bit more if theres a good bundle.

If you just want to play games, an XBOX with Gamepass is the way to go. Constant stream of A and AAA games that are months to a year old plus indie games and it's DIRT CHEAP if you manage promotions. They had one with Rockstar energy drink that worked out to like $4 a month. So for less than the price of a single physical game you could have access to non-stop A to AAA level games all year. Destroys Apple Arcade and Stadia isn't even in the same conversation.

In fact, Gamepass has been SO strong, Sony will have to address it soon (their initial attempt was sad) or they will lose the next console generation to Microsoft.

#19 6 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

Google is bad and getting worse by the year for privacy abuses. Stadia is lame. Less Google in your life is a good thing.
Get a real console, or better yet, get a nice video card for your PC and Steamlink and stream PC games to your TV. That's the ultimate solution.

I hear you. Surprised they didn't already know my internet speed based on how much Youtube I watch. A suped up PC doesn't interest us. Remember, we are coming from 10 yrs of Wii and tablets, so that would be a huge step. I would be totally happy with a PS4 or Xbox One. Don't know if we even need pro versions.

#20 6 months ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

I hear you. Surprised they didn't already know my internet speed based on how much Youtube I watch. A suped up PC doesn't interest us. Remember, we are coming from 10 yrs of Wii and tablets, so that would be a huge step. I would be totally happy with a PS4 or Xbox One. Don't know if we even need pro versions.

It kills me to say it because I'm generally a PlayStation guy, but for your circumstance, an XBOX 1X ($300-$350ish) with Gamepass Ultimate ($14.99/mo retail, as little as $4/mo with promos) is likely the best way to go. You'll have non-stop top level games and if you watch the promotions, it'll be dirt cheap

#21 6 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

It kills me to say it because I'm generally a PlayStation guy, but for your circumstance, an XBOX 1X ($300-$350ish) with Gamepass Ultimate ($14.99/mo retail, as little as $4/mo with promos) is likely the best way to go. You'll have non-stop top level games and if you watch the promotions, it'll be dirt cheap

How long do the promos typically last and then are you able to get new ones? I'll definately need to look into that option.

#22 6 months ago
Quoted from sataneatscheese:

If your kids are 10 or under go with a Nintendo Switch. Mario Party, Mario Kart, Zelda Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey.
If your kids are 11 or older go with a XBOX One or PS4. Both systems have monthly subscription services available for a fee (pay monthly and get access to 200-300 games) or you can just buy games and play them as much as you want. Those systems also have the ability to pay for older system games.

If your kids are any age, buy them the system that has the games they want to play. The idea that Nintendo games are only for kids and Xbox and PlayStation games are only for teens and adults is ridiculous. All the Switch games you mentioned are fantastic for everyone (Well, except maybe Super Mario Party, I was really disappointed by that game), kids through adults, and the other systems have tons of games that are the same way.

Quoted from RyanStl:

The console converting to handheld means nothing to me because the kids all have tablets anyway if they want portable gaming. I would like to get back to Playstation or maybe try an Xbox. I have no loyalty to either.

Definitely something to consider, but it's important to note that you won't find nearly as many quality games on tablets as you will on a portable console.

#23 6 months ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

How long do the promos typically last and then are you able to get new ones? I'll definately need to look into that option.

The promos come and go. In the case of the recent rockstar one (some walmarts may still have the promo cans with Gears of War on them), you got a code that you could add to your account that would extend the gamepass by months at a time. Some people bought enough cans (@$1-$1.50/ea) to extend their membership for a couple years at the super cheap rate.

Just sign up at slickdeals.net and set a deal alert for "gamepass" and they'll send you an email any time there's a deal for it posted.

#24 6 months ago
Quoted from mystman12:

If your kids are any age, buy them the system that has the games they want to play. The idea that Nintendo games are only for kids and Xbox and PlayStation games are only for teens and adults is ridiculous. All the Switch games you mentioned are fantastic for everyone (Well, except maybe Super Mario Party, I was really disappointed by that game), kids through adults, and the other systems have tons of games that are the same way.

Definitely something to consider, but it's important to note that you won't find nearly as many quality games on tablets as you will on a portable console.

Nintendo is terrible for online and saving data. SOMEONE needs to slap some sense into their Japanese network dev team. They're at least a decade behind Sony and Microsoft. We have all the systems, but Nintendo is SO BACKWARDS with online and cloud stuff. For that reason alone, unless the kids are really young, I wouldn't recommend a switch to a one console person.

#25 6 months ago
Quoted from mystman12:

If your kids are any age, buy them the system that has the games they want to play. The idea that Nintendo games are only for kids and Xbox and PlayStation games are only for teens and adults is ridiculous. All the Switch games you mentioned are fantastic for everyone, kids through adults, and the other systems have tons of games that are the same way.

Definitely something to consider, but it's important to note that you won't find nearly as many quality games on tablets as you will on a portable console.

They really only want a Switch for Fortnite and the portable aspect. I have 5 kids (only 4 care) and no way do I want to deal with who can play the switch by themself. That's why they all have their own tablets. They literally play the same Mario levels over and over and play SM3 on the Wii more than anything. However, once the PS2 was pulled out after finding the games. Tony Hawk 4 is their new favorite game.

Quoted from vireland:

The promos come and go. In the case of the recent rockstar one (some walmarts may still have the promo cans with Gears of War on them), you got a code that you could add to your account that would extend the gamepass by months at a time. Some people bought enough cans (@$1-$1.50/ea) to extend their membership for a couple years at the super cheap rate.
Just sign up at slickdeals.net and set a deal alert for "gamepass" and they'll send you an email any time there's a deal for it posted.

That sounds easy enough. Surprised they let you use the same promos over and over (I realize the numbers are different).

#26 6 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

Nintendo is terrible for online and saving data. SOMEONE needs to slap some sense into their Japanese network dev team. They're at least a decade behind Sony and Microsoft. We have all the systems, but Nintendo is SO BACKWARDS with online and cloud stuff. For that reason alone, unless the kids are really young, I wouldn't recommend a switch to a one console person.

Yeah, Nintendo's online is horrible, so if that's important to someone then they should definitely look elsewhere, but I don't know what that has to do with the age of who you're buying for. Outside of their online stuff Nintendo's games tend to be top tier, so anyone looking for great single player or local multiplayer games can still be more than content with just a Switch.

#27 6 months ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

That sounds easy enough. Surprised they let you use the same promos over and over (I realize the numbers are different).

They initially tried to change the terms of the promotion after people started buying lots of RS and pouring out the drink just to get the codes, but there was such an outcry, they changed it back and made it just a little more annoying to redeem. Still a great deal.

XBOX 1X (not the 1 or 1S) with Gamepass is the best solution for your situation. Lots of great games, cheap all year long, with new ones every month.

#28 6 months ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

My kids want a Switch, but it just looks way too much like the Wii we have had for 10 yrs. Same reason I didn't get a Wii U. How many super smash bros, mario, mario carts can we buy?

Switch is HD, Wii wasn’t. It’ll be a whole new visual experience with those franchises for you and your kids. Switch is amazing - I’ve never played a system more or bought more games for a system. But if you want something more mainstream/realistic/4K - go with a PS4 Pro or Xbox One X or S.

As for Google Stadia? NEVER. Streaming games = NO F’ING WAY....and if you reeeeally want to try a game streaming service, Playstation has PS Now...if you don’t like it, at least you still have a functioning console.

#29 6 months ago
Quoted from mystman12:

Yeah, Nintendo's online is horrible, so if that's important to someone then they should definitely look elsewhere, but I don't know what that has to do with the age of who you're buying for. Outside of their online stuff Nintendo's games tend to be top tier, so anyone looking for great single player or local multiplayer games can still be more than content with just a Switch.

Nintendo first party games (i.e. The good ones. in general, there's lots of shovelware from 3rd parties) rarely go on sale, so not a great value. And the age of the kid was so he/she won't remember/care that their saves were lost or trapped on a console because of Nintendo's stupid network/cloud code.

Like I said, I'm probably Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft in general, but Microsoft has come on strong, and Gamepass is a ridiculously undeniable value with the promotions that give you a year of it for about the price of ONE physical game. I have no problem recommending it these days.

#30 6 months ago
Quoted from mystman12:

Yeah, Nintendo's online is horrible, so if that's important to someone then they should definitely look elsewhere,

I have over 600 hrs of Splatoon 2 online, and it’s been awesome. Also tons of online play with Mario Kart, ARMS, Tetris 99, Smash and others.

Smash was really choppy at first but lately has been much smoother. Not sure if Nintendo updated something?

#31 6 months ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

They really only want a Switch for Fortnite and the portable aspect. I have 5 kids (only 4 care) and no way do I want to deal with who can play the switch by themself. That's why they all have their own tablets. They literally play the same Mario levels over and over and play SM3 on the Wii more than anything. However, once the PS2 was pulled out after finding the games. Tony Hawk 4 is their new favorite game.

Going off of that I don't really think there's a wrong answer here. Sounds like they enjoy a wide variety of genres, so I'm sure there will be plenty of games they'll enjoy on whichever console or service you pick.

#32 6 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

Nintendo first party games (i.e. The good ones. in general, there's lots of shovelware from 3rd parties) rarely go on sale, so not a great value. And the age of the kid was so he/she won't remember/care that their saves were lost or trapped on a console because of Nintendo's stupid network/cloud code.
Like I said, I'm probably Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft in general, but Microsoft has come on strong, and Gamepass is a ridiculously undeniable value with the promotions that give you a year of it for about the price of ONE physical game. I have no problem recommending it these days.

I dunno about that, if I was a little kid still and lost all my Animal Crossing save data or something like that I'd be devastated. Certainly wouldn't forget about it.

Man I really hope Nintendo allows cloud saves on Animal Crossing... :/

#33 6 months ago

Thing about Stadia is it requires a Chromecast for TVs and I have Firesticks (yeah my tvs are smart, but I like how Firesticks run Android, plus we have Prime). I have open HDMI ports, but still.

#34 6 months ago

Hard pass for me. I have to pay full price per game_ for less of the experience vs Xbox One X.

Maybe, maybe if the monthly fee came with an awesome game collection. It doesn't.

Pass.

#35 6 months ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

Thing about Stadia is it requires a Chromecast for TVs and I have Firesticks (yeah my tvs are smart, but I like how Firesticks run Android, plus we have Prime). I have open HDMI ports, but still.

And it's Google. Crappy, ever-more-abusive Google. Google could invent the best phone in human history tomorrow and be giving it away and I wouldn't take it. Once you realize that YOU are the product with Google, Facebook, Oculus, Instagram, etc it is bad news. Unfortunately Google started out pretty great, but they've become corrupt and are probably worse than Facebook, we just don't have the details yet.

#36 6 months ago
Quoted from mystman12:

I dunno about that, if I was a little kid still and lost all my Animal Crossing save data or something like that I'd be devastated. Certainly wouldn't forget about it.
Man I really hope Nintendo allows cloud saves on Animal Crossing... :/

I just was casually aware of how they are handling Animal Crossing, but I was hearing some really bad things like you could only have one town per Switch or something dumb like that, meaning no multiplayer where you visit each other's towns. I don't remember exactly, only that I was not happy about it. They better not screw this up.

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#37 6 months ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

My kids want a Switch, but it just looks way too much like the Wii we have had for 10 yrs. Same reason I didn't get a Wii U.

I got the kids a Switch for Christmas last year and what a waste of money. There are very few games that are new or interesting and they all cost like $50-$60 bucks unless you want some random one from online store. Now my son wants an X-Box or something? He wants Fortnite but is only 7 years old-not sure I want to introduce him to that? He does play the crap out of our Game Gate multi-cade, and has played it everyday since we got it.

#38 6 months ago

$79.99 at Target. Includes 40 classic games.

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#39 6 months ago
Quoted from pinmister:

He wants Fortnite but is only 7 years old-not sure I want to introduce him to that?

Fortnite is free...and on Switch.

Well, free until he begs you to let him spend $$$ on costumes and dances and shit.

#40 6 months ago

I already ordered it and am staying with it. Worst case it is a very tiny paperweight, better case it works as a portable Destiny 2 machine (does come with newest expansion). Just trying something new, theoretically with no hardware to upgrade as technology advances. Concept seems reasonable, we will see how Google handles execution.

#41 6 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

$79.99 at Target. Includes 40 classic games.
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You have always been into the classics. A couple years ago I wanted in the old school Nintendo action with all the hype. Glad I didn't pay for a hand full of old games just because it had a HDMI cable. I could always do Raspberry Pie, but that's not what I'm looking for.

#42 6 months ago
Quoted from pinmister:

I got the kids a Switch for Christmas last year and what a waste of money. There are very few games that are new or interesting and they all cost like $50-$60 bucks unless you want some random one from online store. Now my son wants an X-Box or something? He wants Fortnite but is only 7 years old-not sure I want to introduce him to that? He does play the crap out of our Game Gate multi-cade, and has played it everyday since we got it.

Fortnite was made for 7-10 year olds I believe. You see those kids doing dances all the time. That's from Fortnite whether they own the game or not.

#43 6 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

I just was casually aware of how they are handling Animal Crossing, but I was hearing some really bad things like you could only have one town per Switch or something dumb like that, meaning no multiplayer where you visit each other's towns. I don't remember exactly, only that I was not happy about it. They better not screw this up.

Last thing they said is that you can only have one town per system, but that's the way it's always been and they've added local multiplayer for the first time as well. Personally I enjoyed sharing a town growing up, but obviously I can understand why people would be so upset about having to buy a whole new system if they don't want to share a town.

#44 6 months ago
Quoted from BillySastard:

I'm sure people will be tripping over themselves to buy that.

Just got 50 bucks and it was only listed for 6 days.

#45 6 months ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

Just got 50 bucks and it was only listed for 6 days.

Well, I'll be damned. Congrats. I'm surprised there's people that still want those old consoles. Maybe I'll throw my old 360 up on CL.

#46 6 months ago

I’d just buy them what they want and get the Switch. Why have 4 disappointed kids?

#47 6 months ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

I’d just buy them what they want and get the Switch. Why have 4 disappointed kids?

Life lesson. Better to get them sooner than later.

#48 6 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

Life lesson. Better to get them sooner than later.

Don’t worry, life will still have plenty of opportunities to beat the heck out of them.

#49 6 months ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

Just got 50 bucks and it was only listed for 6 days.

If the PS4 was backwards compatible to PS2 then it would be a hard sell. My kids still play on the PS2 (mainly guitar hero) even though we have a PS4 and XBone. The PS2 is a great machine, congrats on sale

#50 6 months ago

There are new Xbox S 1TB Minecraft bundles on Ebay for $189 right now. Never seen it that low. I also just got an offer to buy a buddies PS4 Dec. 2020 when the 5 comes out. That's my wife's vote, but damn that's far off.

BTW, the kids aren't that stuck on the Switch. They mainly want to play Fortnite on a console and like the portable, but I'm not dealing with four kids fighting over a portable.

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Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
The MOD Couple
$ 69.95
Cabinet - Shooter Rods
Super Skill Shot Shop
$ 24.00
Playfield - Other
Pinball Mod Co.
From: $ 9.99
Eproms
Matt's Basement Arcade
$ 799.00
Flipper Parts
Mircoplayfields
$ 139.95
Cabinet - Shooter Rods
Super Skill Shot Shop
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