Quoted from cro_pinman:on Z3 - pin 6 have to be much higher freq. - aprox. 3,6 MHz
( and AFTER that divided by 4 with Z2 )
Z3 - pin 6 about 3,6MHz and at Z2 - pin 9 about 900 kHz
Looking at the 7474N CHIP.... On it is an EZ.. If you look at it as I was.. from the right side of the box.... EZ is a Z3 lol.... I know... Im new at this.
Quoted from woz:Here's what your clock should look like... from Sys80 Service Manual
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So a signal of 0.28us @ 5V is what I should find on my o-scope at Pin 6 on Z3, or ~900khz on pin 9 of Z2.
1 cycle per 0.28us = 4 cycle per 1.12us
The lowest time base my little scope will go is 1us
On top of that, My Oscilloscope is only the size of a credit card, Its useful to diagnose most things. I may have to pull my Heathkit IO-12 out.... now THAT is technology.
Im pretty sure that Z3 is done, Im going to pick up a new 7404 and replace it tomorrow. Im pretty much going to swap out Z3 the Crystal, and 3 resistors... Might as well while I am at it right? the frequency going into Pin 1 is not clean, so im going to do the Xtal too.
Yes, it's logical to change Z3.... but BEFORE, just check +5V on Z3 & Z2 ( literally ON pin 7, and vs 14 )
I swapped out Z3 as well as the crystal.. Same thing. The voltage has been checked, but I will double check everything again inthe AM. Thank you.
Oh man...looks like it's my turn to have my work cut out for me. Maaaaybe I'll find another sys 80b mpu in good working order to try out. But I'm stubborn and cheap so we shall see. Reading this thread kinda bums me out that you sold it to me. I feel like you were so close.
I take it you eventually gave up on the game since it appears I purchased this mess a few days ago I found a few problems, the driver board had the ground mod hooked to the +5VDC, this was pulling down the logic voltage when the driver board was plugged in, surprisingly it didn't blow the regulator or fuse. I also discovered there was 11 broken traces on the component side of the circuit board under the piggyback board (6 data line, 3 address lines and both CS lines weren't getting to the EPROM). After connecting the broken traces the game booted perfectly, but no sound! Still haven't figured out the sound issue, I have replaced both CPUs and put sockets on the board. I also checked every IC to make sure no inputs or outputs were shorted, this can be done by removing the board and placing your DMM on diode setting, attach the red lead to the logic ground and then use the black lead to test each pin (not the ground or +5VDC) you should get a reading between 0.1 - 0.7, but if it's shorted check to be sure it's not intentionally tied to ground or +5VDC, as well make sure it's an output and not an input or you might be changing the wrong IC.
Looks like one or more of the sound board EPROMs are most likely at fault since all the circuitry seems to check out.
Those red flash lamps covers are sure melted in the back of the playfield. Too bad the top of the head has some water damage.
Wish me luck.
Good luck Evan. I'm glad I didn't mess with it much and left it to you!
You can't even see the top of the head, and this is Goldwings we're talking about here, lets not get crazy! That's what happens when cabinets are built with pressboard.
Come by anytime to help me with my Jungle Lord woes. I'll buy the beer.
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