Quoted from Pinkitten:

I’m hoping TG code is thoughtful and the mb modes aren’t so frequent as to minimize the excitement. Like all things pinball, some people may enjoy frequent multiball modes. I tend to gravitate toward the WPC era, when achieving mb was itself a big deal.

Quoted from PinMonk:

The great thing is JJP gives YOU the power to tweak the game to make the multiballs as frequent or rare as you personally like. Control over that and a lotmore is all in the robust JJP menus. Stock is just the designer's suggestion. Make the game work to your liking.

Quoted from Pinkitten:

I’m in on TG LE. I owned DILE twice and love that game. WOZ was my first ever. GNR was notably very heavy on multiballs, and many people complained of feeling like you are always in multiball. Some early reports of TG above sound similar. I have Godzilla too, and I personally find it too heavy on multiball modes, with several starting in a single game. I’m hoping TG code is thoughtful and the mb modes aren’t so frequent as to minimize the excitement. Like all things pinball, some people may enjoy frequent multiball modes. I tend to gravitate toward the WPC era, when achieving mb was itself a big deal. I got my final invoice balance due notice, so my TG should arrive in a couple weeks or less, hopefully!

Quoted from Letsgofishing40:

Guess it’s up to Steve Richie to save JJP.
All these JJP pins have left to separate themselves is the bigger screen. There is no longer a playfield difference. Why spend more for a machine that does not have more? Godfather is a lessor theme, again, and with less in it, again. A real shame to see JJP go down like this. Games like WOZ, POTC, Wonka. I thought their go to market was to be the best? Instead, they now make middle of the road themes with much less included, lower build quality and lessor support for 12k. Chicago gaming pin with way better quality for 8k or 9k? Or a stern with insider connected and still cheaper? And now Scorbid going away at JJP.

Quoted from Pinkitten:

I’m in on TG LE. I owned DILE twice and love that game. WOZ was my first ever. GNR was notably very heavy on multiballs, and many people complained of feeling like you are always in multiball. Some early reports of TG above sound similar. I have Godzilla too, and I personally find it too heavy on multiball modes, with several starting in a single game. I’m hoping TG code is thoughtful and the mb modes aren’t so frequent as to minimize the excitement. Like all things pinball, some people may enjoy frequent multiball modes. I tend to gravitate toward the WPC era, when achieving mb was itself a big deal. I got my final invoice balance due notice, so my TG should arrive in a couple weeks or less, hopefully!

Quoted from DropGems:

Yea I dodged GNR and missed POTC. 100% with you on WPC era though… Def my fav. Enjoy your GF!

Quoted from MacGruber:

Enjoy your girlfriend? Lol ok maybe it is weird nevermind..lol

Quoted from MacGruber:

What is TG? Is that really what we're calling it??

Quoted from TreyBo69:

Did anyone else notice this is the 50th anniversary game of The Godfather. A movie that came out in March 1972. And it’s March 2023.
Now I wasn’t a math major… but yeah. I guess they technically squeezed it in before the end of the 50th year

Quoted from TheDude75:

Hi all, there seems to be some confusion of who created the art on GF. For the ones interested, let me clarify.
The art package, like GnR, is a collaboration of multiple artists.
Christopher Franchi worked his magic on both cabinets and back glasses.
Jesper Abels, artist of the GnR CE back glasses, created the art on the GF playfield and plastics. All characters on the playfield have been done by Jesper, except Michael Corleone, created by Franchi.
I created the final treatment with all typography / insert designs / stained glass on top of Jespers art.
The Art is a big part of the entire visual package, but Eric’s addition of the leg/lockbar sculpts and topper on the CE complete the look that that unique for this game.
Thanks for the great reviews on the art. We’re all really proud and it is very satisfying to feel our work is appreciated!
(Maybe not for all, but I’ve learned you can’t please everybody)
Have a great Sunday!
Jean-Paul de Win

Quoted from TheDude75: (Maybe not for all, but I’ve learned you can’t please everybody)

Quoted from PinMonk:

I'm not advocating for JJP over Stern (or CGC, or AP, etc). I'm merely trying to keep the feature comparisons to the same levels.
GnR still does it for me because I have limited time to play for fun and I can walk up and have a great 30 minutes listening to music I like with fantastic light shows and OCCASIONALLY get a great jackpot I actually collect. It's enough for me. Literally every other pin has gone and GnR still stands.
The only reason GnR prices are down is because JJP hasn't finished the game and it still has bugs and balance issues. When the new code finally, eventually shows up, I expect that will correct itself. jjPotC have been going for 2x their initial price, so pointing to GnR as a "JJP lose value" is not really accurate. Some lose, some gain, some stay about the same. They hold their value way better than, say, Spooky by far.
I've brought in every cornerstone Stern for the past 8 years (and one SLE) except the 60th cash grab, and every JJP ever, so there's no purchase bias here.

Quoted from Thunderbird:

Will GNR prices ever stabilize with such large numbers of games made over a 2 year period? There are still a ton for sale from distros and HUO market is flooded with owners trying to sell. Don’t think software updates will make a difference. Won’t GFs eventually be in the same danger zone? That’s the problem with producing only one game every 2 years; over saturated market forces cause 2nd hand prices to always go downward.

Quoted from PinMonk:

GnR as a game is undeniably beautiful. If the software is made even more fun and completed, that makes the machine more desirable to own. There were 4-5x as many Addams made and here 25+ years later, it sells for around the same price as a GnR in good condition. There are ups and downs, but quality retains its value. GnR will be fine. But the mentality that you will come out even on a pin or make money after owning it for a few years needs to be adjusted back to pre-pandemic reality. That is going away as we normalize again.

Quoted from Thunderbird:

A struggling economy will for sure hurt any recovery chances for GNR unfortunately. Too many made.

Quoted from Thunderbird:

Adams family is a total anomaly unlike anything from the time, because it was one of the only offerings of the age that offered an actual popular IP that drew people into the arcades to play the game. It now has legendary status because of nostalgia, but if remade, current pricing would drop big time on old models. The small numbers for sale maintain higher prices, as owners keep them or old copies no longer work or worn out and taken out of the market.
GNR has large numbers for sale on the second hand market and does not have legendary status because of various issues unrelated to software. Normalization most likely will not come for it, as you would like to think, beautiful or not. Way over produced in relation to other JJP offerings. Everyone in the market place that has ever wanted one, already purchased. Reputation has not been kind and therefore will cause downward pressure on pricing as demonstrated in the market place. GF will have this same problem, unless JJP introduces another offering this year to help balance sales and production numbers. A struggling economy will for sure hurt any recovery chances for GNR unfortunately. Too many made.

Quoted from Letsgofishing40:

Guess it’s up to Steve Richie to save JJP.

Quoted from DerekS:

My GNRCE had the worst blistering of any pin.
Wonka CE has a small amount but I've got a backup playfield/plastics/mylars. It's manageable.
My Lebowski has it too, one post so far which I did the iron/mylar fix on.
I am growing very tired of Mirco playfields.

Quoted from kermit24:

Does JJP need saving? I think Godfather sales have been strong.
Steve’s last two games were Led Zeppelin and Black Knight 3. I’m curious what he comes up with but he hasn’t exactly been on an upward trajectory.

Quoted from wesman:

Being a double game owner of JJP'S, I was pretty irked to read about Scorbit being removed today.
No announcement from JJP today, but Scorbit made an announcement. (Side note, did JJP even officially send off Pat Lawlor?)
This stood out to me regarding GF.
https://scorbit.io/service-interruption-to-jersey-jack-customers/
Q: What drove this decision by Jersey Jack to abandon Scorbit?
A: It’s not entirely clear. We know that in our conversations with JJP up until the launch of The Godfather, we had support from within the game design team. Scorbit was included in the marketing documentation for The Godfather. We were surprised when we were told by the leadership they did not value Scorbit features or connected pinball in early March.
I realize there's two sides to every story, and I'd love to hear JJP's, (Which I'd be surprised if that occurred.) but after how they fired Butch in a disrespectful way, let go of LTG, this situation now, among other things.....just WTF JJP???

Quoted from Pinkitten:

My wife isn’t going to like this one bit.

Quoted from PinMonk:

The great thing is JJP gives YOU the power to tweak the game to make the multiballs as frequent or rare as you personally like. Control over that and a lot more is all in the robust JJP menus. Stock is just the designer's suggestion. Make the game work to your liking.

Quoted from screaminr:

Once GNR is no longer available NIB you will see the prices go up , like most pins .

Quoted from Doctor6:

Man, tell that to my boy Dialed In. That poor game (that I think is awesome as hell) just can't catch a break. Sells for like 8k and i dont believe they're able to be found nib anymore.

Quoted from Doctor6:

Man, tell that to my boy Dialed In. That poor game (that I think is awesome as hell) just can't catch a break. Sells for like 8k and i dont believe they're able to be found nib anymore.

Quoted from screaminr:

I Dailed In is a great game but I think the problem is , it's not a theme anyone recognises .

Quoted from wesman:

Being a double game owner of JJP'S, I was pretty irked to read about Scorbit being removed today.
No announcement from JJP today, but Scorbit made an announcement. (Side note, did JJP even officially send off Pat Lawlor?)
This stood out to me regarding GF.
https://scorbit.io/service-interruption-to-jersey-jack-customers/
Q: What drove this decision by Jersey Jack to abandon Scorbit?
A: It’s not entirely clear. We know that in our conversations with JJP up until the launch of The Godfather, we had support from within the game design team. Scorbit was included in the marketing documentation for The Godfather. We were surprised when we were told by the leadership they did not value Scorbit features or connected pinball in early March.
I realize there's two sides to every story, and I'd love to hear JJP's, (Which I'd be surprised if that occurred.) but after how they fired Butch in a disrespectful way, let go of LTG, this situation now, among other things.....just WTF JJP???

Quoted from Zablon:

The real question is, are they going to lower the price now? Doubtful.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Yup, it’s the theme. I owned the game for several years (great pin) and very few family members or friends at get togethers ever played it. Why? The theme, they didn’t get it. What was I supposed to tell them, it’s a theme about a guy that finds a magical cell phone and tries to stop disasters? I can see the blank stares now lol.

Quoted from screaminr:

It didn't cost them anything .

Quoted from iceman44:

Scorbit announcement?
Think the TS4 PFs have been solid?
My GNRCE and WonkaCE PFs have not experienced any issues.
I get why people would be pissed if they did though.
I still remember the GB pf fiasco from Stern. Have some minor ghosting on two small inserts, no big deal. Others had major chipping.

Quoted from screaminr:

If it was called Disaster City or Quantum City or anything else , it might have done better but Dialled In means nothing .

Quoted from wesman:

Being a double game owner of JJP'S, I was pretty irked to read about Scorbit being removed today.
No announcement from JJP today, but Scorbit made an announcement. (Side note, did JJP even officially send off Pat Lawlor?)
This stood out to me regarding GF.
https://scorbit.io/service-interruption-to-jersey-jack-customers/
Q: What drove this decision by Jersey Jack to abandon Scorbit?
A: It’s not entirely clear. We know that in our conversations with JJP up until the launch of The Godfather, we had support from within the game design team. Scorbit was included in the marketing documentation for The Godfather. We were surprised when we were told by the leadership they did not value Scorbit features or connected pinball in early March.
I realize there's two sides to every story, and I'd love to hear JJP's, (Which I'd be surprised if that occurred.) but after how they fired Butch in a disrespectful way, let go of LTG, this situation now, among other things.....just WTF JJP???

Quoted from NeilMcRae:

Difference between JJP and Stern is that stern will remedy stuff. My GNR actually fell apart didn’t get a response from JJP - I even emailed the CEO (which isn’t Jack) and he didn’t even bother to reply. Emailed Jack also and got zilch from him. Of course this was after they lied and said the playfields had been fixed after the wonka and pirates shit show. I’d never have touched a GNR otherwise. Stern sent me a replacement populated playfield for GB.

Quoted from NeilMcRae:

The decision is simple - JJP don’t give two fucks about customers, just look at the ridiculous way they announced the scobit decision - total disrespect for a partner who put them on the online map - 10K games on line and JJP says Fuck you on a stream?!
Anyone who thinks they value customers is totally deluded. Light boards, DI trap door, drones, 9 million versions of woz and hobbit, pirates code, mirco playfields lies, diverter on GNR, studio lights on GNR, GNR code etc etc. it’s freaking laughable they they think they will create a platform themselves, they can’t even get the glue to stick on a playfield.

Quoted from NeilMcRae:

The decision is simple - JJP don’t give two fucks about customers, ... Anyone who thinks they value customers is totally deluded. ...

Quoted from Maken:

You are lucky that Stern helped you. Don't say 'Stern will remedy stuff' like it's a fact that applies to every situation. Plenty of end users have had unremedied problems on Stern machines. ...

Quoted from Mattyk:

Why the new account Zaphx? I’m surprised you got rid of you GNR. You two were inseparable

Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

This is true. You're a bit of a pinball celebrity with Stern Neil. They obviously like you and as such, your customer treatment from them doesn't necessarily reflect that of an "average Joe" Stern customer.

Quoted from screaminr:

I Dailed In is a great game but I think the problem is , it's not a theme anyone recognises .

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Removing ScoreBit is a big WTF. It would have made sense if JJP announced their own proprietary internet connected platform but they didn’t. Instead they took away a cool feature with no replacement announced, who knows if one will ever come.
Hey ScoreBit will still be there right until JJP removes it with a code update? That could be years away at the rate code updates are now released lol.
Hopefully JJP is ready to announce their own connected platform at TPF and that is the reason behind the removal of ScoreBit along with the year + code update delays for GNR and Pirates.

Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

This is true. You're a bit of a pinball celebrity with Stern Neil. They obviously like you and as such, your customer treatment from them doesn't necessarily reflect that of an "average Joe" Stern customer.

Quoted from DerekS:

I needed break from some of the toxic people on the forum, so I disabled my account.
As it turns out, if you shut down your Pinside account 3x it gets banned, (I thought I'd only done it twice, oops.)
Also frankly I was down on pinball in general after the weak 2022 offerings at sky-high prices. It's past the "worth it" point to me now.
I don't expect to participate in the forums as much as I used to, for my own sanity.
My main reason for wanting to get back on is to have a venue to sell games.
GNR is a spectacular game but after 4000+ plays we'd had our fill. No hate, it's the best band pin ever made hands down.
I'm not a big fan of the band and was tired of the songs so I made an even trade deal for Lebowski, which is a dream theme.
Godfather is a theme I definitely didn't want and don't care about, but I like what I see in the code depth and I've never been disappointed by an Eric Muenier game.

Quoted from sevenrites:

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Quoted from gliebig:

I think DI is a perfect name for that game.

Quoted from Maken:

You are lucky that Stern helped you. Don't say 'Stern will remedy stuff' like it's a fact that applies to every situation. Plenty of end users have had unremedied problems on Stern machines. Stern didn't replace my warped playfield on a NIB game.

Quoted from Beechwood:

Can someone adjust the settings and get video of less frequent multi balls? Seems easy enough and could put this debate to bed.