Is there no other music than the whimiscal Wonka carnival poker machine stuff?

Game looks good otherwise.

After he shut the audio off, it sounds better. Apparently there's a wonka or something in both videos that someone was playing...because I'm not hearing that stuff when he had the mic off.

But it's the same as yesterdays snippet.

Layout looks good. Music and sound is awful

Watching the stream and listening to the audio. The modern pinball trend of constantly telling you what to do is just not my flavor. This game never shuts up. Shoot the left ramp! Shoot the targets! Shoot the right orbit! Shoot the ramps! Hit the left ramp! Hit the gangster! It's just constantly talking to you.

You layer that in with the same voices calling out everything like telling you what's lit, or saying "favor" etc, it's like a nonstop chatter fest.

I get it, it's a style. And in smaller doses I can see how it's helpful when the rules are confusing. But it's just too constant for me, I find it unenjoyable.

On the plus side love that there are tilt warning lights, great idea. And the way the ball comes off that right return to the inlane target and rockets back towards the flipper is awesome.

It's just a lot of contrasts for me on this one. The layout looks fun, the art is fantastic, the LCD looks really good, the stained glass etc is awesome. I pretty much hate the music, the callouts are too much. I'll wait to judge the lighting until I can see it person, I know it's not the same on video.

Definitely glad this stream is happening. It's always great watching Karl play but the game presents itself incredibly well and looks like it is going to be a blast to play.

Love these - pretty common on JJP games.

Still waiting for someone to make the tilt bob visible while playing.

The gameplay stream looks incredible... People are rightfully hypercritical because of the price... But I am loving everything I am seeing.

I thought it looked great

Didn’t understand the rules and it looks like it could be hard to learn where a shot is going to divert to. But sounds, art, lights, and video looked good. Playfield is doing interesting stuff.

Mandatory “it’s expensive” inclusion

Maybe I don't have enough time on JJP games, but I see the code concerns on this stream.

Started Compound MB
Started a mode *after* already in Compound
Stacked Turf War on top of those

That's...a lot. I feel like the strategy/skill needed to start a mode and then start the MB is crucial, and the way GF is setup is too easy.

Also I feel like it sounds like Oktoberfest.

Gameplay looks fun, but I'm not feeling the call outs.

The one on porches?

Game looks beautiful, man those callouts would get annoying...In GnR they are subtle, and it's Duff and the chick, so they have good vocal tone...

Lately JJP has been adjusting code for mid level skill players to be able to get further into the games on the default settings. They have said that the high level skill players know how to change the settings to make the achievements harder to get to. They can adjust to their level of play to make it enjoyable to them. Tournaments should probably adjust to harder settings.

Wonder what happened to "Multipalla Siciliana"?

The stream sold me, looks great.

Watching this stream I have no idea what’s going on rules wise.

Looks more like an arcade type game than JJP has produced, though Karl is fantastic!

Too bad we won't see many of these in arcades, like most JJP's.

I was at a great location the other night, 12 to 1, Stern to JJP.....

Watching gameplay and the sound feels off like it’s not attached to the game. Like I’m walking through downtown Disneyland, not Godfather. Carnival sounds, with slots and WW or WOZ music. Stream is well done by Karl as usual, but its not changed the rainbow bright vibe, instead of a real GF drama like it should be.

Had to drop from the stream but at least the sound effects weren’t bad! Seriously though, it was OK. I just want it to be more godfather and less generic gangster. Call outs absolutely terrible as many said here already. Light show wasn’t as ridiculous as we saw earlier. Game over and extra ball, along with some graphics transitions that were typical top notch from JJP. MB heavy code - check. And that’s a bummer. Stacking as keefer said in the chat is just fun right? Well - not really Keith when it’s happening that often.

Pretty telling that franchi and some others had no idea about a comment in the chat that was literally from one of the most famous scenes in the franchise. The game just doesn’t feel like godfather enough b/c you can tell some that were involved don’t truly appreciate godfather. Might be good for some who don’t care for the theme I guess.

And those that say it’s mostly about price. I agree with you. If this game was 8k, I wouldn’t be nearly as frustrated.

Maybe the best thing from today is when SDTM said shots are now toys! That was classic. Just when you thought the bar couldn’t be any lower. Buy Buy Buy!

Boom nailed it! Can we get this stickied? And I’m not talking a key post. This needs to be stickied to the front page of pinside, no joke lol.

Watched the stream tonight, here’s a fee thoughts.

Where is the story and what is the point of the multiballs? For example you can start Sicily multiball fairly quick from a skill shot and then you are hitting targets to light jackpots. The same animation plays in the lower right quadrant. Then at the same time “Turf War Multiball” is started and it’s again just the same animation being played in the lower left quadrant while jackpot shots are hit.

Where are the movie clips and or different animations + sounds as shots during these modes are made? Shouldn’t there be something related to Sicily and a turf war being displayed on the screen during these types of modes? There isn’t and because of it there’s a very generic feel to these types of modes.

Now take the multiballs from Lord of the Rings for example. During those the animations + sounds change as shots are made (which often also change).

Many of the up front multiball modes I’ve seen so far in Godfather all seem very generic and lack story elements related to the theme and seem more fit for simply stacking versus being interesting story based modes.

The main story based modes in the game do have clips and unique animations being played but then can get drowned out by one or more of the generic multiball modes being stacked.

The call outs aren’t bad persay; but it needs other voices and accompaniments to build off each other to keep variety. This was a problem with JPOTC too; but the single actor in that one was MUCH better.

Karl started Sicily MB within 5 seconds of playing...

Hopefully settings can make these multiballs more meaningful.

Stream didn't excite me as much as the Foo gameplay stream did. I like the looks of it, the cab and pf art. I think it might be fun to shoot. I'm not a fan of the franchise so I don't have any vested interest in accuracy, but I can understand why some die hard fans might not like it as much.

It feels like they didn't quite balance the 'real/drama' of it with the almost light heartedness. the callouts feel...not great...but that's pretty common on pinball games these days. The music..still not really clear on that one.

Honestly, I'm overall I'm liking everything being announced right now, which is unusual. Not clear which is worth dropping the big coin on though. Still seems like a FF Pro might be the bang for the buck route for now. But now going to wait to see what this PF brings to the table because that's actually a theme that interests me. Of course we are still waiting for more on the AP front as well.

I think that was because there are rewards for hitting the super skill shot, such as starting a mode.

It also really helps that he was a character in the movies and not just some "generic" pirate.

Great stream. Karl makes it look so easy. I didn’t mind the sound and callouts as much as others. It started to grow on me. Some modes look fun. I had a hard time following what was going on to be honest.

My biggest complaint is that like GNR, the multiballs are plentiful. Do we really need to stack 4 of them? Some of the best games in recent history have two main multiballs that you can stack. The others are achievable as you progress deeper. The MBs in GF seem like you can start any one at any time, including one right away off the plunge (?). And I wish having a 6 ball multiball was saved for a wizard mode. End of rant on that.

Otherwise the game looks to be the best JJP has put out so far. I’m sure I’ll own it once I’m done with GNR

I thought the game looked great. Artwork, shots, super nice overall package. You could tell that Karl was excited to play it and liked what he saw.

This is one of the most beautiful pins in history, themed on the best movie trilogy in history. But again, those damn multiballs... While I was reading this thread my GNR LE came on by itself and manifested four multiballs, just to torment me. Trying to get it under control, I never successfully had the flipper strength to make a left ramp.... But dang it, I still want to buy a GF CE and I can't shake the fever.

When you hear “Turf War Multiball” it at first sounds like this cool unique multiball mode. There must be animations and or clips being displayed on screen about a turf war and maybe something unique about the family selected going on it? No, there’s only a “Turf War” animation being played in the lower left corner, that’s it.

Same goes for “Sicily Multiball” and possibly more (still watching the stream). There’s nothing related to the Sicily scenes from the movies being played (animations and or clips) and instead there’s just a “Sicily Multiball” animation on repeat.

Right now I may be out and it’s not because the game doesn’t look fun (it does) but rather because I feel like I’ve already played and owned this game with other JJP titles that have this exact same type of multiball experience.

Yeah, I noticed this too. I thought Turf War rules could be interesting since this is 'board game' like. You <player> have lights on a map, the CPU has lights on a map, and you gain sections by specific shots or combos, but if you don't keep it up the CPU gains sections back. And then once it's over whatever you end with is some sort of multiplier for your next mode...etc. Rather than it go on until you lose your balls, it's timed.

As it stands, the MB's didn't seem like much other than just shoot a bunch of the same shots for no real reason.....but then....that's most multiballs. Maybe what I'm thinking is more like a wizard mode?

EDIT: or..to be more specific. Roy A Life Well Lived in R&M. Red/Green lit shots with a good or bad outcome (getting or taking turf).

Watched the entire stream. That last game Karl had was ridiculous. Ha!

Yeah he was having fun and excited to play the game, unlike when I watched him play TS4

Boxing mode was great amongst other fun modes.

The callouts were MUCH better and varied towards the latter part of the stream as he got going.

Really happy with my CE purchase. Ridiculous price but lots of extra touches by Eric and crew

Just like any game, it’s not for everyone and def no FOMO needed on this game, FOO or any other pin.

So many great options it’s unbelievable right now.

100% agree - the background sound is so incongruous with the theme. That's why people keep saying it must be another game (like Wonka) on in the background. Not only that, but dull and repetitive. Sort of sounds like AI background music.

Do we know what code this is? That cant be it, surely?

I missed boxing mode. Will have to go back and check it out when he posts it.

To be fair...all pinball machines have repetitive music. Dull might just be because most of it is that slow mob movie-ish stuff.

When it was playing without his mic on, it seemed to fit more....less carnival and more orchestral IMO.

This game looks impressive; if JJP gets this game dialed in, it may be their best game yet.

Tone down multi-ball or have a difficulty option.

Add more exciting music.

Add more movie scenes with actor callouts.

Improve on the overall callouts.

They toned down the lights, and the game looks great.

The God Father deserves the best!!

So funny

That was... odd, to say the least. There is certainly a disconnect between Puzo/Coppola and this iteration of GF.

That being said - they disclosed that fully before I bought it. This is their version of expanded universe.

I hope we can replace assets - first thing to go is the JJP staff as mobsters ... It would be cool to upload your own cheesy "mob" or mugshot photos (maybe even have the GC, Sonny, etc pictures pics snapped for HS list as the caporegime generic monster boss).

Like many things I swore I'd never do (pay more than $500 for topper... $1000 for a topper... $2500 for a topper... NIB anything), here we are all in on the CE (vs a used stranger things LE for slightly more).

I hope the playfield lottery smiles on us.

1.03

But normally there's variation in different modes/multiball etc. At least in modern games. This had literally nothing else except the meandering AI generated whimiscal Wonka carnival poker machine stuff. What happened to the theme song? Even the slash version. Did I miss that?

I didn't catch it, does the photo op dress you as a mobster in sepia tone? I would think it should and those kind of filters are easy to do these days. And JJP if you didn't think of it, I expect compensation

Sepia tone but obviously no AI dress up - it does do the volar / lateral kind of mugshot pose though for the GC at least

Yeah, the generic experience is there for some of the other multiballs including Sicilian and Compound Multiball The same animation plays in a quadrant and you are asked to hit jackpot shots for it. There’s no unique animations, movie clips, and not many unique sounds being displayed for those modes.

The game looks like fun but it’s a bummer IMO to not see multiball modes be an event and instead be these generic style behind the scenes type modes with little mode choreography.

Sadly owning G&R seems my voice screaming to buy. Jury is still out for me and just order FF. Glad I waited for the stream.

I agree. Easter eggs are great, and surely the team worked hard on this game, but I felt like the ratio of JJP creatives VS. actual Godfather characters was waaaaaaay top high for my liking.

All valid concerns/criticisms. But for a game that was announced just two days ago (!), I for one am stoked about how far along this is + the fact that machines are out in the wild getting valuable player feedback + upside potential for where it could go.

Sure: JJP code updates have been unreliable. esp. to get to the “finish line” (still waiting for GNR rev to fix Slash Solo bullshit; POTC owners will no doubt say ‘hold my beer’). But would hope/expect issues like underwhelming multi-ball animations and call-out variety are on the backlog. DialedIn shipped with only a few phone/mode animations; only got better as time went on. Compare this to Bond owners waiting for basic features months after delivery. I’m in for CE and can’t wait; kudos to Eric + Keefer + JJP team for exceeding my expectations. And showing how to do a launch right.

The code is already at 1.03. I wouldn’t expect there to be some massive change with the way the multiballs are designed and likely how the callouts are placed. JJP’s past several games are shipping more code complete than those in the past. That’s a good thing but it also means major changes may be less likely. Hopefully I’m wrong but I’m just going off what I’ve seen having bought their last 3 titles.

Buy being happy with the way the code is right now as it’s been over a year since a GNR code update and nearly 3 years since the last POTC code update.

You should probably move on to a different game?I feel there’s too many things you don’t like about this one.Maybe foo fighters is more your liking?

Damn you. Sir I say damn you! I am trying my hardest NOT to like this game so I don't have to shill out 15k+

You are making it difficult! Lol