Another owners thread we will be in , looking forward to it

I really feel like the stack-stack-stack-stack code overwhelms the design/layouts in POTC and GNR, and now it sounds like the same thing going on in GF. An average design can be a great game to play if there's good code to go with it. A great design can be an average game to play if code doesn't mesh with it.

The approach of "go ahead and start anything while anything else is running" ends up losing the player's interest for where the shots are and when they need to be hit because it eventually turns into "just hit anything at all times". It just becomes a scatter shot drill. On GnR I find that I don't really even feel a need to hit shots from the upper right flipper. And yes there are certainly a lot more features in the code in those games than this and you can play them in a more nuanced way to try to activate all the features/patches/powers. But when "start everything at all times" is the predominant structure of the code it unfortunately ends up dominating the design.

Can I set up my G&R this way?

Good question! GF scores higher than any JJP, by a ton. I had seemingly average games in the 50 million range. A much better player than me put up 270 mil, including a single mode cashed out for 120 mil. A billion would seem to be in reach.

Everyone who hates on JJP games seemingly summed up in one portion of a phrase right here.

It is actually fun as heck in TZ, is that what they are trying to emmulate?

yeah it's kind of amazing that they were able to have these ready to go and nothing leaked early. Why can't Stern pull this off? When are we going to get our hands on Foo Fighters?

Regardless of what settings options are available, you don't have a choice in the matter if you're playing on location. You're stuck with whatever the base code defaults are.

Cabinet and backglass are stunning in person. Vibrant, crisp, saturated but not cartoonishly so. Cab decals are satisfyingly slick & glossy. Very high-end feel. Really enjoy the art deco flourishes in the backglass.

The stained glass-like display/interface is work of art all its own. So many thoughtful details, like the border of the inner section being used for timers/meters. If only they could limit the stacking to let you appreciate one or two things at a time, it would be super useful to glance up at.

My average games were around 50 million and my high was 87 million despite not really understanding the scoring nuances. I agree a billion should be in reach which is high for a JJP game.

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Any image of the underside of the playfield of a delivered game?

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I'm not sure why they possibly left staging out of the game. One of the reasons why I enjoy Hobbit and POTC so much is allowing a shot to set up a pause, then maybe a very brief clip, then more gameplay. Constantly maniac multiball without pausing never seems fun, just overwhelming.

When I first saw that I’m like “Oh great stop and go flipper feed.” But then I saw how fast that came out I literally had to replay it to make sure Something else didn’t happen. Incredible…

Yeah that sucks.

JJP def is catering to HUO, right or wrong

With GNR, not sure how you can fully enjoy it on location.

I turn it on with the upgraded pinwoofers and blast that sound.

The initial opening light show and band introduction sets it all up!

I’m screaming right along, “live from LA (or wherever) it’s GUNS AND ROSES!!!

The song selections are phenomenal. Like to play it just for the rock concert.

I don’t care about the scoring, even though I took the Eskaybee advice on setup.

GF looks exciting, can’t wait.

Best time ever to be in pinball minus the pricing

They don't bother me...It's the different flipper mechs...I think AP and Spooky's feel the best for modern pins, Stern's feel like Data East's to me, that's prob because they were Data East.

No flippers feel as good as Bally/Williams flippers, those were so perfect

Anyone going to wait on GF to see what CGC & Mark Ritchie have planned with "Pulp Fiction"? Teaser video just released.

Just when I thought my wallet was safe for a little while....

GnR is a masterpiece...GF looks awesome...If you have the means, go for it!

I am very happy about the flippers feeling like they should. The games of the past have been eye candy. I hope this game can break that trend. I own GNR and it's my least played game. Wife loves it LOL (so colorful But she doesn't play) I hope they also fixed there ping pong slingshots as I can't stand them. I wonder if this was done in the code or a hardware change and hope it can be implemented on the old games.

Seriously??? Get the gimp.

I've been trying SO hard to not buy a game this year....ugh.

I wonder if they are making the leap to LCD or sticking with their giant DMDs.

As I posted in another thread.

I am glad I do tech support for a company that loves me.

Exciting times for pinball. Welcome back Mark Ritchie !

LTG : )

Mark Ritchie is the designer--Steve's brother.

I am in on Godfather, but if CGC nails Pulp, I will probably go for that one as well. Even if CGC announces tomorrow, it could be a year to 18 months before Pulp machines are delivered.

Everyone has an opinion on GNR. Its pretty divisive. Its a different sort of game. I like it but its more about the theme for me than anything else. If it was a different theme it would have been long gone I believe.

It really looks like TGF plays different than the typical JJP games. Looks fast and the slings and flippers seem to have more pop.

Yep. I think GF will be successful in spite of it's theme... Folks that were excited for a GF theme seem bummed. Others that completely wrote it off before the reveal seem to be impressed with the play...

Duplicate.

I like it - my kids loved it

Stern has changed and improved their flipper designs over the years. They are not the same designs as DE, or even Whitestar-era Stern. I had a conversation with Chas Siddiqi on this sometime before he passed.

Opps, corrected
Thanks

Not if raw thrills can manufacture them.

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All these posts now of people that have played it be ZERO video taken?? What the? You guys are killing me lol.

Hoping to get my CCLe one day Lloyd. Been paid up since Nov of 2021.

Man I’m hoping Pulp Fiction doesn’t blow me away but I suspect it will!

I'm in the same boat with Led Zeppelin has to stay on theme alone.

Just got notified that my machine ships Monday... WOOOHOOO!!!

If Raw Thrills is involved maybe dave & busters is going to have a pinball game.

.... and second cousin to Lionel

I will take a crappy cell phone vid of gameplay at this point, lets go!

Karl at 7:30 EST on Twitch

First Billion point game incoming?

They feel the same to me, very similar, strong with no flex if that makes sense...Bally Williams had those perfect feel, Spooky's and AP's are very close to the feel of the B/W's

Stern Spikes at least, don't feel as good...I think the SAM's felt better...Could be all in my head though, not sure if they are that different, it's just noticeable as I have pins from all 4 manufacturers now, so I can def feel the difference when moving back and forth

I was excited about the GF theme and I even more excited after seeing reveal, gameplay video and SDTM first impressions. I don't think I am in the minority.

Yeah - I hear you. I really wouldn't be that invested if it was another theme I could care less about like FF and Scooby. It has my attention b/c I'm someone that actually LOVES this theme. I'm a big godfather fan and I appreciate the elegance, simplicity and pure masterpiece of those movies. None of that is translated to the pinball game and that's really disappointing. I would have been day 1 (regardless of money loss) if they nailed the theme. That was my position for another theme I absolutely love - halloween. I bought butter day 1 and have zero regrets b/c sometimes I just like looking at the damn game!

So I'm still really excited to play it and for the stream. I just have to dial down my expectations.

Wherever I hear people say the game looks great or this is godfather btw, they’re also saying they don’t need a godfather game or not really excited for the theme and that makes sense to me - they don’t even know godfather. I go back to my analogy of people who think Olive Garden is good Italian. They don’t know any better. Usually mid western haha.

I also hate seeing fake fomo in general. Now I'm hearing shots are toys which is hilarious but that's pinball in 23. No toys but it's fun to shoot = 16k+ w/tax.

No criticism--I'm in on a CE. But if you go back and look at the majority of complaints, it's either "That looks nothing like the godfather should" (rainbow lights, colors, etc., or it's "that theme sucks... Why would I want a godfather?" I think it's going to be a kickass game... But I don't think it's the theme that will make it that way.

Love the guy, but can't watch his streams because he blows up the game. You end up seeing everything.

This game look great. Great job to Eric and the team. I really like the cityscape decoration in the back. I like seeing something like this that just spells "pure craft". Look forward to experience the game in person.

Me too. Tough to say. Eric usually does such a deep dive on his themes that I can't imagine there aren't tons of satisfying shots/elements for GF purists. Then again, I was fine with a carnival themed Toy Story adventure for TS4 so maybe I am in the minority!

What’s twitch account to search for please ?

This is the exact opposite of what I want out of pinball. That’s just me, but I talk to other players all the time who feel the same.

I think this obsession with depth in code and stacking everything has created these monsters that a lot of people just don’t actually enjoy.

I don’t want to start a multiball off a skill shot. The last game I can remember playing that did that was Stargate.

Multiball should be something earned, and a goal, not something you’re constantly in multiple at once.

I think of games like Metallica where there are 4 multiballs, but the coolest parts are single ball play. Give me more Crank It Up rules instead.

Just my two cents.

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