I’d love to see ATL_MPB break their current practice against having toppers and buy TGF CE version with topper. And order some TGF lunchboxes, because people will want one.

"Tough actin' Tinactin.... BOOM!"

Good ole Madden.

In terms of the game, overall....I'd gladly throw $10 in it somewhere, to play. I wouldn't be spending 12/15k on it, knowing the code desertion history and support problems, but that is ok. There are games for all of us out there, especially this month! Sad thing is, no location I know of, is going to spend 12/15k on this, to make available to the public. Such is the case with most JJPs and any locations nearby.

Yeah sounds good!!! Just have the option.

Slash's music is for the trailer and in a wizard mode. It is not the main music while you play the game.

Nice!

It’s pretty crazy, and disappointing, that JJP #8 (Godfather) gets its wizard mode before JJP #4 (Pirates) and while JJP #6 (GNR) code is in need of a massive code update…

No one should be surprised if it takes years, or if it just never happens, for Godfather code to be polished and completed. Hope I’m wrong but see above…

Remind me, how many people out of the 200 CE owners, 650 LE owners and a handful of standard owners, have any chance of finishing pirates to get to the wizard mode?

It doesn’t really matter.

People are not happy unless a game Contains at least one wizard mode that they will never see.

I can’t explain it either!

Doesn't the beta for Pirates include the wizard mode?

I've gotten there a few times. Although annoying, I'm not too fussed about it since the other 99.5% of my plays felt feature complete.

People just, like, want the *opportunity* to be a wizard, man.

A lot of people could get there actually, especially if they want to set their game to 5-ball in order to get to the end of the game they paid for so they can play everything that is in and was promised to be in that game.

But it really shouldn't matter how attainable it is on 3-ball. Is that really a good justification for a company to not finish a product that they sold to customers who bought it in good faith that it would be completed with all features that were marketed?

Nope.

That doesn’t matter, it’s advertised on the playfield. It doesn’t matter if JJP sold 5 games or 5,000, the wizard mode on the playfield should be there.

Not implementing an advertised final wizard mode for any game, or not polishing code for others, sets a bad example and makes customers ask “Should I buy another product from this company”?

Code can’t sit in beta indefinitely either. That’s not the same as a public code update that gets pushed out to location along with a majority of home owners and can the positively change the perception of a game.

JJP finally took my CE deposit. Just got the transaction notice. Anyone get a delivery timeline yet?

Doesn't POTC already have 5 wizard modes?

Fact is JJP's coding efforts haven't historically kept up with their games, even when they were only releasing a game about every 18 months.

- Hobbit came out in early 2016. In mid-2018 it got its big code update.
- POTC came out in late 2018... and, well, we know how that one is (not) going
- Wonka came out in April 2019. It got a big refresh/improvement update in August 2021. And I don't know the facts but some people in the POTC forums have said that the coder went out of his way on his own time to get that update done.
- GNR out in 2020, and it's in need of polish and it's last update was Oct. 2021.

Maybe they'll do better on GF, but JJP has a long history of cutting off games while they still need code updates in order to move on to their next upcoming game.

So if GF only had it's two mini wizard modes coded, and they never put in the final wizard mode that would be okay? Same situation on POTC.

On JJP's site, this had been saying "In Stock" in green instead of "Order now!" in red. Does that mean it's close to being sold out?

(Just curious, I ordered mine yesterday)

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Is there a stream date/time yet?

There’s 5 mid wizard modes, 1 for each movie, but the super wizard mode (the main wizard mode) has not been implemented.

GNR meanwhile hasn’t received a code update since October of 2021…

There are 5 wizard modes. I created one of them. They aren't mini, is my point.

I just meant mini in the sense of not being the primary wizard mode, similar to how LOTR has Destroy the Ring (mini / mid wizard mode) and then Valinor (main wizard mode). I had a JJP Pirates that I bought new and enjoyed it very much. Those 5 mid wizard modes are some of my favorite parts about the game.

I updated my text from mini to mid, will refer to a games non super wizard modes as mid wizard modes from now on. I didn’t mean any offense.

They are mini. You just have to play 5 modes for one of the movies to get to that movie's mini wizard mode, and there are 5 movies. And those mini wizard modes are also in need of a fair amount of polish for score balancing and one of them only has a placeholder graphic on screen while it plays.

Agreed. Regardless of my personal complacency about not having it, following through with your promises is important to not alienate customers.

You're arguing about game design now. They are full wizard modes, and none have incomplete graphics.

Any word on the first game streaming?

I know one thing that is true and that is Stern, Dwight specifically, finished and implemented an “Are you a God” final wizard mode for Ghostbusters that is advertised on the playfield. It took some time but Stern and Dwight said it would get done and they did just that.

JJP should do the same thing and finish Pirates code along with polishing GNR code.

I'm not arguing game design. Game design is a fact. POTC has 5 mini wizard modes that are supposed to lead to a final wizard mode. Same as many other modern games. Many "mini-wizard modes" in games are themselves very good and entertaining modes. Mini just designates that it's not the final wizard mode.

In that case then the On Stranger Tides graphic was just a cut and paste job with not much effort into it while the graphics for the others have some animation for them.

Gameroom goodies. Bought my pin from them. Didnt charge a fee. Also I did get some cashback for using my card.

It's difficult to please everyone.

I guess I just assumed that graphic was a placeholder because it's a pretty striking difference what's on screen for it compared to the other mini wizard modes. Mode itself is fine (although they all could use scoring balance).

IT'S NEVER ENOUGH!!!

Meanwhile, us Bond owners are holding out for a flipper hold status check.

You are though. You call them mini, but they are full fledged wizard modes. The fact that they lead to another wizard mode doesn't mean they are "mini." Game design is not fact. It's a personal philosophy that each designer creates within themselves over time. If it where fact, every game would play the same.

haha, it really never is

Thread derailed call Pete Butedrege quick!

In the context of a game rule-chart, you cannot have five final wizard modes no matter how good they are, only one final mode.

I say all of this as a customer who has bought every JJP pin NIB and who is a big fan of the company.

It is hard to please everyone but there’s an insert for a main wizard mode on Pirates that is not implemented, the game was announced in 2018. There’s also been months and months of GNR customer code complaints, please see the owners thread, about code needing to be polished and it hasn’t come in nearly a year and a half. It’s come to the point for GNR owners where the solution to fix scoring balance issues is a list of 10 or so setting tweaks proposed by another owner…

The handling of a previous games code support directly impacts the next titles sales as potential customers will have concerns if the same thing will happen again with the latest release.

No. It is impossible to please everyone. But you were close.

I never called the 5 wizard modes "final." They just aren't "mini."

I'm not addressing the missing wizard mode. I'm only defending what is there.

Tomato, tomah-toe. Choose whatever words you want to describe it. Mid-wizard mode, interim wizard mode, semi-final wizard mode, or mini wizard mode.

The word choice is pretty clearly not being used to describe the depth, design, or enjoyment of that mode itself. It's being used to designate that there is another level of wizard mode yet to be achieved. Many mini wizard modes are amazing modes on their own. Jurassic Park, Elvira, AIQ, and Godzilla all have some great mini wizard modes.

Just call them wizard modes and then say the super duper mega extreme wizard mode isn't programmed

Also it is amusing people are clamoring for a code update to a game hardly anyone owns, and of them even fewer would ever actually be able to qualify said super duper mega extreme wizard mode. And said mode would probably just be "here's all the balls, it's all lit for jackpots, go nuts for a while" like most hard to achieve wizard modes. But that would be one less thing they could complain about

Are you implying that the 5 wizard modes in POTC are not enjoyable?

You get me. lol

I realize that we are talking semantics here, but I think most players would consider a wizard mode, no matter how mind blowing world class amazing it might be, to be a "mini wizard mode", should another wizard mode follow it.

Should we wish to rename the two so as not to make "mini wizard mode" sound minor, that's fine with me.

I like their design, but I think the risk reward of playing them often makes it better to time them out and continue on in the game. I think they need score adjustments.