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Quoted from ViperVS:Can someone explain me why in the land of the brave and free, no one has started a class action lawsuit yet?
Because it would be pointless. As someone else pointed out everybody will end up with a $60 Jjp credit in 3 years if it succeeds.
Quoted from ShrimpPimp:We were lucky enough to secure a G&R CE with a serial number in the 90's range. We took delivery the last week of February and as of today have nearly 2,000 games played. It is one of our favorite games to play, and it probably helps that my wife and I are big G&R fans.
I've followed this thread and the other G&R threads to learn about tweaks and issues. I removed my glass this morning and went over the playfield with a flash light. The ONLY blemish I could find regarding pooling, lifting or chipping was around this post to the left of the scoop. I already have the 3/4" clear washers mentioned above and I'm hoping that installing one will prevent further chipping as the arrows point out.
I guess I should feel lucky that there is not more damage with so many hours on the game. Maybe it's possible that some of the pooling issues and worse seen by others won't creep up in my machine?
My wife and I are fairly new to the hobby but we play every night and enjoy our games. Just like the hot rodded 48' Chevy in my profile pic that gets driven everywhere. We're both nearly 50 and while I love having nice shiny toys, I know that with use you will get some minor dings and bump ups here and there. I have friends with hot rods they never drive and guys who have guns which are "safe queens" and never get shot. These friends who never really utilize or enjoy their possessions puzzle me. That would be similar to me telling friends not to play my G&R because "I wanna keep total plays low for possible future re-sale value." For me unless I hate the game, if I buy a pin and love it I will probably keep it forever and put it in my will.
So if there are documented issues with the manufacturing process as pointed out it seems the entire playfield could be compromised. However in MY case is it possible that what you see in the photo is normal wear and tear from 2,000 plays? Could it be similar to dings in your paint from driving your car normally?
I'm hoping it's attributed to normal wear and tear because I would hate to think that over the next couple years every high impact post will start to look like this one. People have a right to be frustrated and upset for the amount of money we spend on these games. I totally get it. In my case though I will play the game until the legs fall off because the overall experience for me exceeds the worry of a couple clear disks on the playfield that you don't see with the light shows going full blast.
I've been a lurker for months but just wanted to post my SN range and pics so the OP can cross reference his experiences with one more.
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My advice is put away the flashlight and stop looking for trouble. Sounds like you did ok so no need to drive yourself nuts, enjoy the game that’s what the hobby is all about.
If you keep conducting flashlight reviews eventually you’ll find SOMETHING so I’d count yourself lucky just have fun with it.
Quoted from smalltownguy2:Stop trying to minimize a serious issue.
He doesn’t seem to have a serious issue and he’s gonna drive himself crazy if he keeps trying to find one.
Stop telling people what to do all the time it’s getting old.
Quoted from Skyemont:Just got a call from my distributor. Barry emailed her. Here are my options:
1. The will buy my CE back at retail cost
2. Nothing
No new playfields are to be sent out. I love the pin is why I got a CE. JJP you make it very hard to support u in this industry.
This sucks.
But send it back.
Quoted from zr11990:No one answers their phone when you cal JJP. I wonder why. They deserve to go belly up. I don’t care if they come out with the best pin ever on the planet and it gives BJs when you get multiball. I will never buy from them again.
“These BJs are causing significant chipping and Jjp won’t pick up the phone!”
Quoted from Ricochet:Is there a variable at play here regarding consumer vs. commercial product classification? By that I mean are there different requirements that drive the extent of what a company is willing to do (get away with) for a commercial product vs. consumer? I've no skin in this... that thought crossed my mind as I was pouring over this topic, apologies if it has already been considered/discussed or if it I'm in left field here.
There is an element of that. Pinball was a strictly commercial product for 80 years or so until very recently. In truth, neither the pinball companies nor the consumer was adequately prepared for this sudden shift into making it a home consumer product. Manufacturers suddenly could no longer “get away” with stuff their buyer base probably would have let slide before, while at the same time the buyers suddenly became a lot more demanding.
That being said, I don’t think we’ve ever seen anything like this. Even the crusty old ops of ages past would probably take notice and issue with the current crop of playfield issues.
Your mother works at Mirco
Now that Churchill's not around
We used to love her playfields
But now they've gone to ground!
So you open up your tickets
cause complainin's always free
you'll get lots of different washers
and a case of insanity!
I had no idea this was gonna turn into another Crazy Levi fan club thread!!
Don’t worry gang your membership packets are in the mail. Please remember to send me your t shirt sizes!
Quoted from EricHadley:I’m OUT! Canceled my GnR LE and am picking up a STTNG this weekend! Couldn’t be happier and saved a ton of cash
Yes if there's a game that's sure to be a trouble-free ownership experience it's STTNG!
Quoted from bigehrl:i think you're confusing their inability to fix the issue, with lack of interest. the only thing that would be accomplished by smearing them in the news would be to destroy the company's reputation, morale, and relationships going forward. that neither fixes the playfields, nor makes it likely that they can continue to design more pinball in the future. and frankly, is just really mean-spirited and messed up.
I totally agree.
Still wouldn’t it be fun to watch some local news hack chasing Jack around a parking lot with rapid fire questions like “Sir what are you doing about these playfields? And when did you stop beating your wife? Sir? SIR? Don’t you think the public deserves an answer?!”
Quoted from Vespula:If that were actually true, then you are the perfect spokesperson to answer that. . Unless you're 12, of course.
I don’t have a media scrapbook but I’m pretty sure “the news” already does several stories a year about grown men playing pinball. We see them all the time!
Googling “pinball wizard” under news should be fruitful!
Quoted from Vespula:SMH. I guess where the media is concerned anything goes.. I shouldn't be surprised by this.
Generally around here it’s viewed as a good thing?
“Hey everybody my local news did a story on my game room!”
Quoted from gunstarhero:Yeah but when it goes wrong it goes all the way, lol. I do love STTNG tho, it’s definitely got the most awesome and complex subway system you will ever see on a pin.
The problem is just one flaky opto or even a stuck ball can cause a mess of trouble, and never has a game been built that handles ball count confusion on the playfield worse than STTNG. Always frustrating to have a multiball or Final Frontier end early, or have a multiball end only to have the game go to bonus countdown with a ball still on the playfield.
I like the game a lot and I've owned several but I think its reputation is a justified. There's a reason you almost never see that game in tournaments.
Quoted from gunstarhero:Well that and you can stall out modes.
Which leads to Final Frontier which is almost guaranteed to cause the game to meltdown in an orgy of confusion!!
Quoted from gunstarhero:Because you stalled out modes!!
Classic chicken or egg dilema!
Quoted from Skyemont:I knew I licked you Levi. You going to Allentown?
Post pandemic: no tongue!!!
I hope I can make it to Allentown. It's gonna be hot as fn balls but will be nice to see everybody.
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