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GNRCE Playfield issues!

By Skyemont

2 years ago


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    “GNRCE Playfield issues!”

    • No issues 34 votes
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    • A few issues but I can deal with it 15 votes
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    • I need a new playfield 63 votes
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    Post #5 HEP identifies the issue immediatly. Posted by High_End_Pins (2 years ago)

    Post #96 Myth about outlawed chemicals Posted by High_End_Pins (2 years ago)

    Post #173 Mirco clearcoat & post tests Posted by High_End_Pins (2 years ago)

    Post #726 HEP comment on the two easy to see direct issues. Posted by High_End_Pins (2 years ago)

    Post #807 Reminder of thread purpose. Posted by Skyemont (2 years ago)


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    #24 2 years ago
    Quoted from Vitty:

    Vid keeps saying it and is 100% correct. They can't fix it easily or inexpensively. It's a printer and ink adhesion issue. Rock and a hard place. How quickly can they find a viable alternative to Mirco that can produce their volume at cost points they need as a business. I wish them the best of luck!

    Doesn’t Mirco make playfields for lots of other games over the last few years that don’t have this problem? I wonder what has changed

    #148 2 years ago
    Quoted from Genjuro:

    I wish Chris could do something with these playfield, but my guess is that he really can't considering the digital printing process being so different than a screen print.
    Chris, correct me if I am wrong here.

    I want to add to this question for Chris... what has your experience been with Mirco playfields in your restorations? I guess I am curious when Mirco went to this digital printed artwork and if you have worked with any of these playfields yet?

    #174 2 years ago
    Quoted from High_End_Pins:

    I am definitely not here to save the playfield industry. Just a knowledgeable observer to issues that are popping up.
    My experience with all playfields from all manufacturers are that each one and I am referring to the actual playfield itself is individual and will have minor to major issues.
    Some can be corrected others will have flaws that can be improved but not fully overcome without going back to the drawing board.
    That stated. There are also manufacturers and certain eras that provide extra challenges or known inherent flaws.
    Take the Williams System 11 era for example.
    Clearcoating a non diamond plated version nine times out of ten is going to ruin the inserts.
    The reason is there is something in that era that has made the original bond of screen print to insert very fragile and the clearcoat application exposes that by pulling the clear from the insert and into itself as it cures acting almost like stripper instead of coating.
    My experience with Mirco playfields specifically is good enough that I will use them but I also shave them down snd recoat them and put provisions in place as I build them.
    Neither of those things are ideal to me but they are things I can and easily do so it’s better than salvaging trashed playfields.
    Right now I am doing a BSD. I have shaved it down and recleared it. [quoted image]
    As I assemble it I do the opposite of what JJP is doing. I don’t dare make the parts footprints bigger I make them smaller.
    How?
    Smaller washers.
    We can use this area as an example. [quoted image]
    I will get torque both star post. One will have a small washer under it the other will not [quoted image]
    Tight. [quoted image]
    Results. [quoted image][quoted image]
    Big difference easy insurance. I will conduct the same experience on a playfield direct from Mirco and see if it is any different to rule out my own coating.

    Great info! Thanks for taking the time to explain some of your techniques.

    #200 2 years ago
    Quoted from seenev:

    Anyone else just feel like giving up on this hobby? How many issues have there been with games in the last few years? Insert ghosting, cabinet splitting, clear coat chipping, pooling, dimpling, etc etc etc. Getting a decent game is like winning the lottery.

    Don’t forget to throw in the
    “Tomahawked playfield’s”

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/planetary-pinballchicago-gaming-listened-thank-you#post-3680450

    #366 2 years ago
    Quoted from MikeS:

    What good does an at-cost spare playfield do if it's made by Mirco? Or even a populated playfield if the problem isn't fixed? What happens when that playfield fails in your game? Selling or getting a refund seem like the only ways you can guarantee that you won't have a defective game.

    Send it to HEP and have him work his Voodoo on it.

    #667 2 years ago
    Quoted from zaphX:

    Or small washer (the original) over carbon fiber.[quoted image]

    So I guess just keep stacking washers then?.. kind of reminds me of the last time I ate at Taco Town, I guess you just keep adding and adding.

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