They're both amazing pins. And this comparison is great for me, because they're literally side by side and the only two pins I have right now.

GnR gets more play.

That's not to say that GZ is a slouch or a bad game, it's amazing. But I find myself playing GnR more. But they're quite different games, so I'm not sure they can or should even be compared if you're making a purchasing decision of one or the other.

There's a lot going on, but the game tells you what you need to know for the most part. You just need to know where to look. At any given time there are a lot of options and they're laid out for the player to choose, which is why people used to a linear game have trouble with it. The longer you play it, the less overwhelming it is.

And if a light show alone can get me to play a song I formerly hated and get me to SEEK OUT and kind of like it over time, that's mission accomplished.

Watch Karl DeAngelo's streams. He has great general control, even during multiballs on GnR.

I hope this style of play is seen more often. It forces trap players to PLAY THE GAME since they're penalized for trapping. Trap play is boring to watch. I want to see ball control gods emerge that can work a playfield that appears to be pure steel ball chaos.

Anything's boring when you have too much of it for too long.

Taste. Only a few can have the best.

Did you see Defending your Life? There's a scene about that. Albert Brooks wants what his handler in the afterlife waystation is eating and he said he wouldn't like it because his brain isn't advanced enough to appreciate it. Albert Brooks insists, and it doesn't go well.

Yeah, but holy crap did the BK:SoR and LZ code updates make a mess. It clearly was just a thinly disguised excuse to get the QR code in the machines because the stuff they "fixed" obviously was not tested much at all. Really borked two games. Check the owner's threads.

I have no doubt, but why even release it if it was so poorly tested? And the releases were stacked, so the updates for many of these had to be sitting around waiting to go all at once. Why didn't they use their beta testers outside Stern to run through the code and at least catch a bunch of the obvious problems while waiting for release day? It's not like they PAY the beta testers, so it wouldn't cost anything. I'll never understand Stern...

Lyman did use tester(s), too.

But it seems like a good position to create at stern. Software QA management with one person coordinating testing with all off-site beta testers for all machines. Use an online bug tracking database like they do in professional game development so the testers can report their bugs and the developer can check off the ones addressed. The trail for that kind of system has already been blazed years ago and mature software exists for bug tracking. Stern just has to care enough to adapt it to their business. They'd only need, what? 30-40 testers total to cover machines with overlap, and the only paid position is the QA coordinator that runs the program, so? But I'm really not sure they care enough about releasing well-tested code when they push updates. They're making money hand over fist right now as-is. Why do MORE?

And with online in the machines now, the beta code could have memory dumps and you could tell the machine to send that to Stern. Also, there are $100 devices that could be loaned to testers that continuously capture video and that could be sent to Stern as MP4s when there's a weird event as well. There are a LOT of not-that-hard or costly software and hardware solutions that could be used in a coordinated software QA program. Stern wouldn't even have to have the QA program coordinator work in-house at Stern. They could coordinate this program and interact with the beta testers and the developers from literally anywhere in the world.

It would substantially improve their releases and customer satisfaction, for not that much cost. Will they do it? Probably not.

Really? If I can achieve a 6 ball power cord during GnR multiball, it's an ACHIEVEMENT. Up there with the best feelings in all of pinball. You don't randomly get it done because there are a lot of balls flying around. That works against successful completion.