Quoted from pinmister:

The whole POTC is super fishy to me. Started with turmoil over three disk vs two disc change. Then tons of production issues(I believe JJP was losing their ass) and then sudden stop in production because of parts, etc? Now people selling for $20k+ has me laughing. It has some serious draw to it, and some of my personal friends have gotten bit by the lure of this game. The modes are over the top with 20+ characters and it is what I call a hoge poge game. I love the POTC theme and thought I would love the game, but fortunately it was not fun for me. The more these games climb in pricing because of rarity the more it makes me distance myself even further. Would I rather have a 20K box of lights or 5 used HUO Sterns?

Quoted from Darth_Chris:

Years ago when JJP and other cies started to come into the hobby I thought competition would be good for business. Forcing the only existing cie to produce better pinball at a fair price to make sure they keep their segment of the pie. Boy, it's the complete opposite. Since other cies joined prices keep rising and quality is dropping. It defied all logic....why ? I think because pinball is not a logical market. People buy with their heart, not their brains and logic. It's okay but don't expect to see any logic from a market full of passionate people who buy with their heart.
Pinball is an awesome hobby but it is for people with more and more money to buy the new toys, and even if they flip it after a guy with money will want to minimise his loss to buy the new big game. So used market will go up like we have been seeing for years.
As long they keep selling and attracting deeper pockets prices will go up. I think honestly at $15 000 all the CE would have sold anyway. The more pinball cies are aware of that the more you will see move like this : jacking a price up during a release.
Just my opinion

Quoted from javagrind888:

If the value of any of them used still only drops by a grand, then it's not really money spent right? Just set aside until you sell? That's been my only rationality for being in this hobby as a collector anyway. If I lose a grand a pin on average, it's acceptable for the fun we've had.

Quoted from FalconDriver:Holy crap. Open the gates. Here come the secondary $20k POTC LEs or are we there already?

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Over the years I've defended JJP price increases by saying "Well, look at what Stern is offering for the same price". No more as these $10k+ LE prices have entered crazy town territory. Both Stern and JJP have been playing this back and forth game of raising prices after seeing what each of them do and as a result both companies have now priced a lot of people out of the market.
I've often criticized Stern as in my opinion they don't justify the price with enough features and toys. Well for the first time I'll say the same thing about a JJP pin with the new $10.5k GNR LE price. There's not enough features and toys in GNR LE to justify the new price tag. For $10.5k you don't even get all of the mechanical features in the game, that being the missing coma lock reserved for the CE. $10.5k and you still don't get all of the mechanical features? That was bad enough to stomach at $9.5k but at $10.5k there's just no words. I shouldn't be surprised as this is the same company charging $11.5k for yet another "limited" version of WOZ that doesn't even come with the monkey mech.
The same thing can now be said about GNR SE. $7,800 and the only toy is a spinning disk...wow. I'll take an AIQ Premium that has far more in for the same price over GNR SE any day. How about an Alien from Pinball Brothers? That now looks like a steal compared to the prices (and what you actually get) that both Stern and JJP charge.

Quoted from thechakapakuni:

So my GNR will come with 2 foxy ladies? Take my money!

Quoted from wesman:

Phew! Finally....the silence is over, and JJP has posted via their social media accounts, and addressed the GnR price increase...!!!
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Quoted from tslayer71:

Ahhhh that's more like a $100 price increase...

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Why are you people expecting JJP to launch a multimedia PR campaign explaining and promoting their price increases?
Pretty sure that’s never happened in the history of business.
Pinball people live in la la land.

Quoted from wesman:

Ziiiiing! I'll admit it, I laughed.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Why didn't JJP take a Super Bowl ad where they addressed pinsiders' concerns with price increases?!
THEY ARE MOCKING US!

Quoted from wesman:

Not expecting, just hoping non Pinsiders down the road would be able to be aware. Which....given the lack of, uh...pimping of that price increase, they won't be.
A one month window would have been "fair", and transparent regarding Pinsiders and people really into pinball, at the very least. But pinball is definitely not good on the latter, and the prior is a case to case basis.
I genuinely hope AIP gets their shit together, and offers solid games that entice many, many people, at prices still lower than JJP and Stern.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

I've often criticized Stern as in my opinion they don't justify the price with enough features and toys. Well for the first time I'll say the same thing about a JJP pin with the new $10.5k GNR LE price. There's not enough features and toys in GNR LE to justify the new price tag. For $10.5k you don't even get all of the mechanical features in the game, that being the missing coma lock reserved for the CE. $10.5k and you still don't get all of the mechanical features? That was bad enough to stomach at $9.5k but at $10.5k there's just no words. I shouldn't be surprised as this is the same company charging $11.5k for yet another "limited" version of WOZ that doesn't even come with the monkey mech.
The same thing can now be said about GNR SE. $7,800 and the only toy is a spinning disk...wow.

Quoted from MrBally:

Where is our PanzerFreak and what have you done with him???

Quoted from Thunderbird:

Never thought we’d see the day (lol), but right on the money Panzer. JJP a small manufacturer is getting too big for their britches! You’re right enough is enough, we should all say no to their new shiny’s at those prices because there is not $10.5k of toys and such in their product. Prices will stabilize when people stop buying.
Stern is charging way too much as well, but their price increases have not gone up 10% in one go, on already way overpriced machines. JJP prices are now $4000 to $6000 over Stern’s for the same 3 tiers. (Yes, JJP has used tricky marketing wording on those 3 tiers, but they’re the same 3 tiers.)

Quoted from pinmister:What is everyone's true opinion on true valuation of GNR and others?
For me GNR SE is a $5500 machine
the CE is a $8400 machine
The Big Lebowski is a $9000 machine
Rick and Morty is a $6000 machine
Rick and Morty BS is a $6800 machine
MMR Royal is a $9000 machine
Supreme turd is worth $3000
The list goes on....
I tend to set my own price points for games. Sometimes they align with reality and sometimes they do not. Are some of these games worth nearly what people are asking nowadays-hell no.

Quoted from Animal:

"we should all say no to their new shiny’s" I remember this being suggested in 2012...when Stern LEs were 8k Canadian...

Quoted from wesman:

Phew! Finally....the silence is over, and JJP has posted via their social media accounts, and addressed the GnR price increase...!!!
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Quoted from zaphX:

Here's how I see the world.
You can do one of two things:
1. Accept the world as it is, and let life happen to you.
2. Make your life what you want it to be, identifying the change you want and taking steps to make it so.

Quoted from iceman44:

It's hard to believe it's been 10 years or so Rick since we were early adopters on a WOZ.
10 yrs later i still have my WOZECLE and now a JJP GNRCE. My how things have changed in the last decade.

Quoted from underlord:

Unless others cause you to misstep. One can try. Absolutely. But it’s always a coin flip.
I didn’t stop trying.

True Amigo. Been a long ride.

Quoted from thechakapakuni:

So my GNR will come with 2 foxy ladies? Take my money!

Quoted from wesman:

That's the thing, isn't it? It's a combination of both as I see it. We can be accountable, accept our faults in decision making, correct them, move forward with knowledge and make more empowered decisions, no matter what the stage.
But there are also inevitable factors, forces beyond our control, that impact and influence our lives in ways that we are so utterly powerless to alter.
One change I will definitely make, is crossing JJP off my list for NIB purchases. As an owner of two of their 6 games, that kinda sucks, but financial comfort + defining my own principles in this matter, makes a more contented me.

Quoted from wesman:

Not expecting, just hoping non Pinsiders down the road would be able to be aware. Which....given the lack of, uh...pimping of that price increase, they won't be.
A one month window would have been "fair", and transparent regarding Pinsiders and people really into pinball, at the very least. But pinball is definitely not good on the latter, and the prior is a case to case basis.
I genuinely hope AIP gets their shit together, and offers solid games that entice many, many people, at prices still lower than JJP and Stern.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Why didn't JJP take a Super Bowl ad where they addressed pinsiders' concerns with price increases?!
THEY ARE MOCKING US!

Quoted from snaroff:

Unfortunate? Hmm. Did you ever consider that Jack & company weren't actually running the company well? I've worked for several tech startups and one of them needed to be "saved" just like JJP. It needed to be saved because the management sucked and made many bad decisions.
It's just shocking to me that you have the nerve to disparage someone that helped Jack continue producing games.

Quoted from Zablon:

What about this offends your senses? Prices for manufacturing are up across the board since 2019. I mean, i get the 'it's too rich for my blood' mentality, but what about this makes you 'cross them off your list'.? Companies raise prices on items all the time.

Quoted from smokinhos:

I get confused with statements like this. No disrespect but if you were not in at $9500 then sorry about your luck.
How may buyers do u think would have jumped in to take advantage of the perceived future equity of $1k. Or the $1k would save the "fun tax" of getting to crack open that NIB pin. They get to do what they want. As you did as well. You opted to not buy it.. now it's more or you buy used. Super simple.

Quoted from Mrawesome44:

If JJP had even a put out a simple message like" Due to covid we have to increase prices going forward". They wouldn't be getting this much backlash.

Quoted from Mrawesome44:

If JJP had even a put out a simple message like" Due to covid we have to increase prices going forward". They wouldn't be getting this much backlash. I will say I agree with TigerLaw the mentality of feeling like a sucker is very real with this game now because now you have to pay 1k more simply because you bought on Wednesday and not Tuesday

Quoted from 27dnast:

I think players are going to regret not giving Houdini a fair shake... too many people let others judge for them, or played one that wasn't properly set up. So glad I took the plunge.

Quoted from MrBally:

This could al be justified by the recent 30% price increase in lumber prices. Also the shortage, rationing and price increases on certain integrated circuit chips......

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Over the years I've defended JJP price increases by saying "Well, look at what Stern is offering for the same price". No more as these $10k+ LE prices have entered crazy town territory. Both Stern and JJP have been playing this back and forth game of raising prices after seeing what each of them do and as a result both companies have now priced a lot of people out of the market.
I've often criticized Stern as in my opinion they don't justify the price with enough features and toys. Well for the first time I'll say the same thing about a JJP pin with the new $10.5k GNR LE price. There's not enough features and toys in GNR LE to justify the new price tag. For $10.5k you don't even get all of the mechanical features in the game, that being the missing coma lock reserved for the CE. $10.5k and you still don't get all of the mechanical features? That was bad enough to stomach at $9.5k but at $10.5k there's just no words. I shouldn't be surprised as this is the same company charging $11.5k for yet another "limited" version of WOZ that doesn't even come with the monkey mech.
The same thing can now be said about GNR SE. $7,800 and the only toy is a spinning disk...wow. I'll take an AIQ Premium that has far more in for the same price over GNR SE any day. How about an Alien from Pinball Brothers? That now looks like a steal compared to the prices (and what you actually get) that both Stern and JJP charge.

Quoted from beelzeboob:

Don't you already pay to get women?

Quoted from smassa:

Get yourself a Jurrasic Park Premium instead. Its a better game.

Quoted from rotordave:

Get a JP Pro instead and save even more bucks.
Actually ... for $10,500 you could almost get a JP Pro AND an AIQ Pro. Sorta a no brainer ...
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Quoted from rotordave:

Get a JP Pro instead and save even more bucks.
Actually ... for $10,500 you could almost get a JP Pro AND an AIQ Pro. Sorta a no brainer ...
rd

Quoted from Tranquilize:

Or maiden pro + jp pro huo combo .... Absolute no brainer

Quoted from rotordave:

Yes.
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Quoted from thechakapakuni:

Yes I do! Now name a man alive who isn’t?

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Why are you people expecting JJP to launch a multimedia PR campaign explaining and promoting their price increases?
Pretty sure that’s never happened in the history of business.
Pinball people live in la la land.