The reason its kinda foolish is that GB's was clearly going to be the winner and the results thus far have proven that fact so it could come across as JJP bashing, I just had a chance to play TH and while fun its not going to appeal to the mass audience, GB's will crush it in terms of sales, gameplay and all that in strictly relative to the player, I lean towards fast and furious style and TH just isn't that type of pin but that doesn't mean its bad, if you loved WOZ then I think its safe to say you will be happy with TH, it does look amazing but thats not enough for me.

Least important aspect to pinball is the display. I've played TH and its what it should be a JJP style game however it lacks the speed and flow of Stern as does WOZ, JMO mind you as for GB's being old news in even a year from now I really doubt that.

What? The point is that I didn't care for the TH's gameplay and thusly not buying one simply due to a nice display but the GOT pro for me anyway plays great and while the display and animations aren't there I would still take it over TH, I'll always take gameplay over art, display etc. but who wouldn't want both? Maybe you need to read that out loud and agree or disagree.

Ok, am I being punked or something, lets assume you dislike TH, gameplay and theme do nothing for ya and GB's gameplay and theme are the cats pajamas then which pin would you buy? I understand it would be better with a nice large LCD but its not the reason I would or would not buy a pinball machine. I doubt anyone would buy a game based on the display but lets agree that a pin which is great would be even better with a nicer display, I mean we aren't ready for this show are we?

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For me theme is very very important especially to longevity, If TH was based on Blade Runner or GB's on lets say Running Man or Total Recall then they would be must haves for me, I had an AC/DC Luci and Met Pre both were fun games but didn't last long due to the fact that I'm not really into those bands, however if it had been Slayer and Motorhead I would still have them, WOZ will never be in my home due to theme, I play it on location but no desire to add it to the collection, LCD will become standard across the board but like I said before it will only add to a game that already has great gameplay but will never save a game the flips poorly, theme is the only factor that might cause one to keep a game that isn't exactly top notch player, I feel TH falls into this category, as does Kiss and several others. JMO

What if the main ingredient in the cup cakes is shit? All the icing in the world won't help.

It certainly should be, if you don't like a pin for theme or gameplay etc. then the display will not save it, why is this so difficult to understand. I am enjoying all the analogies mind you, I'm not a fanboy of any manufacturer by the way, make a good pin with a theme I like and I'll buy it.

Yeah but it still all comes down to what the source material is, no interest in Hobbit movie outtakes and voiceovers would much rather have mono fuzzy clips of Blade Runner or StarWars so once again its only as good as the theme and gameplay, even sound can't save a pin, just sayin Ice. It seems to me that alot of people are trying to make excuses for what is starting to look like a bit of a let down.

Nope I can't do it again, you are correct sir.

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The Fargo reference is that of confusion, who wouldn't want a nicer display? I would and so would you and everyone else but it kept coming up like I'm saying give me the worst display you can please, one more time, I would rather have GB's with the DMD than Hobbit with LCD due to theme and from what I've seen thus far gameplay (yet to play GB's but TH wasn't my style) would I like GB's to have a nice 27" HD display, well certainly. Really no way to rebut this and yet its been attempted, hence the confusion. I'm such a dick.

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really looking forward to how this works, might have been posted already but is there any news on when we might see a Pre/LE in action?

You mean all 2 of them? I owned many Sterns and very few issues but yeah they have a different feel than JJP or B/W's etc. who really cares, gameplay is what I'm concerned about and would much rather have a less solid feeling constructed pin thats fun than a really solid peice of crap, not saying the entire 2 pin JJP line up isn't fun but for me at least I haven't gotten anywhere near the experience I have from Stern pins, not too mention trading some build quality for 3 or 4 pins a year, sorry but it had to be said, like everything JJP it should be more solid after 4 years.

Whoa, someone has their big boy pants on today.

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Tx sector is the coolest sound pin ever made by far, but TH isn't bad.

Id love to know how much extra it costs to have all the inserts produce full color change, In my opinion even the pro's should have this, I guess it might be expensive, I just can't see it costing hundreds of dollars more for this feature, still even if it did I would rather that than an expensive display.

I'm sorry but for me I'll play GB's for 45 min and want to keep playing because its kicking my ass, 10 min and I was bored playing TH, these 2 games should be in a VS match, IM, ST or GOT are good for GB's, some pinsiders really like the gameplay on TH but even in these videos guys are posting to show the apparent speed thats capable with in house set up I get bored watching it, I hope someone I know gets a Hobbit and I get some real time on it with a nice steep set up, maybe it will click, for now its not at all. I'm not against an adventure type game either and really love LOTR's so its something else, layout? Theme? maybe, I want to like it.

Sure he does left and then right aswell. sorry couldn't help myself.

I agree but that's not really important to me, I don't want it to be junk but I'll base the fun of a pin on sound and layout and gameplay way before I consider solidity. I've had many Stern LE's and several pros, build quality is just fine, Now I have I to check if solidity is really a word.

Again, so what? I really haven't heard many complaints regarding Stern's build quality and its not like the pins are falling apart, sorry but I just don't understand why this is important, JJP better release a solid fun pin if its taking 3 to 4 years to produce, who would try 2 pins then say well I found #1 to be damn fun and #2 kinda boring but it felt solid so thats the one I'm gonna buy? come on.

Ok, I don't mind at all the way the Stern pins feel, not sure how the car analogy applies here? but I will ask you this, if you love one pin and really kinda dislike the other then would you still buy the disliked pin because its built better, I'm not arguing that the B/W and JJP games are built better, more solid and all that but Tron, IM, TWD, ST, GOT etc. are fun pins and for me thus far anyway I haven't enjoyed either JJP games and I'm not going to buy them based on there build quality, its all about gameplay but I would prefer a solidly built car as it contains my personal body and I like being alive. What a battle of wits we have going on here.

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He strawed me first.