+ another to this. We finally have a GB on location, and I made it Mass Hysteria. The first time it went back to normal flippers during MH, ball save was still on, so no big deal. But when it reverted back, there was no visual or audio warning, and I lost all three balls in the lower playfield area. Thankfully had another ball in the pops, so I got to keep playing. But this was VERY frustrating.

I believe this is incorrect. I think the # of balls in WCWS is based on the # of modes in the ladder you just completed. Each time I've completed the left scoop ladder, my WCWS was only 2 balls (to start off, prior to any add a ball). And when I completed the right orbit ladder, it was 4 balls for WCWS. I'm pretty sure about this, but not 100%.

I think it's a good nuance -- the WCWS for completing the right orbit ladder is MUCH harder than the 2 modes on the L scoop.

Correct. Definitely not a bug. The same effect applies to all 3 ladders, and requires more intentional shot-making if you want to instantly start your next mode, and also if you want to continue on a particular ladder.

I think it's a fantastic gameplay/ code feature.

I've seen the same thing on a local GB on location. I had video mode call outs going during WCWS.
I started looping the L ramp, and Bill Murray was telling me, "Only 75 more to go." Ha!

I've seen the same thing on a local GB on location. I had video mode call outs going during WCWS.
I started looping the L ramp, and Bill Murray was telling me, "Only 75 more to go." Ha!

Huh? That's weird. On the GB I play, Stay Puft mode doesn't involve Slimer toy at all.
Are you talking about the 4th mode on the R orbit mode ladder?

Yes, you're correct. I like how Ballroom mode uses the Slimer going up/down in the later phases of the mode -- it's a good implementation of the toy.

I've noticed that GB modes save state differently. I think that for the most part, the early mode(s) of each ladder save exact state of the mode. Ex: Spook Central, if you made it into the collect phase and collected two of the four shots before draining, restarting the mode will put you back into the collect phase with the 2 shots remaining.

In later modes, it seems to save state at the beginning of the mode's phase that you were in. Ex: Gozer the Gozarian, if you made it to the 2nd hurry-up's build phase, with 3 shots lit, and you shoot 2 of 3 before draining... when you restart the mode, you'll be back at the beginning of the 2nd phase with all 3 build shots lit and required to shoot.

Spooked librarian spinner is small potatoes on increasing the super. He Slimed Me and Gozer the Gozarian are where it's at. Check out your SJP value after THOSE modes.

The SJP value carries from ball to ball if you haven't yet collected a SJP. As soon as you do, when you drain the current ball, SJP is back to 1M.

THIS. x1000

Nice. Yeah, I once had my final collect on Stay Puft mode (the final hurry-up) register a whopping 00. I actually wouldn't mind if this stayed in the code to mock the player -- I certainly bricked enough shots to that easy R orbit to justify getting mocked by the game.

I have faith in Dwight. Just keep reminding yourself that patience is a virtue.
And remember that in Stern games from not that long ago, early code was NOWHERE NEAR this developed.

Glad to know I'm not the only one who doesn't get much out of SFMB. Since the scoring was so low, I went the strategic route of trying to use the MB to increase the chances of advancing past difficult modes. But since modes are timed, and the Scoleri Bros ruin every SFMB, I found that playing a mode during SFMB is HARDER than playing it in single ball play. Ugh.

I guess I don't mind Loopin Supers starting during MB or vice versa. I like the stackability.

Definitely. I've asked for this as well. The left kickout is MUCH worse than the right.

At first I liked it because it's a great use of the Negative Reinforcment scene from the movie. But after playing the video mode a few times, it grew stale.

But you already know the answer to that: "Stay tuned." hahaha

Play better!
Even better: when you start it over, the collect shots are still at their lowest value possible (the locked in hurry-up value holds between mode plays)

I think that would be too easy, and also likely result in many AAB's happening too **early** (when you still have ball save going, and another ball really doesn't help). It's better to get your AAB after initial ball save has expired, and when you don't still have 3-4 balls in play.

This is a great idea. Only being able to play it on location, I'm stuck with factory defaults.

I agree. But it does force you into some interesting shot sequence choices by having it the way it is. Maybe it's disabled due to the basket of awards not always being applicable to mid-mode game state?

Strongly disagree. This is one the best strategic scoring aspects of the game: how to increase your SJP value, and then setting yourself up to cash it in on Loopin Supers, and not too early on a rogue one-off single SJP.

This applies to the vast majority of modern pinball modes. Given the variety of how mode shots and sequence work between GB's modes, I don't have an issue with this.

Me too!

I'm assuming by "stacks" you mean that you had to shoot the left captive ball 9 times!?! (3 stacks of 3 shots each?)
I agree that this is far too many shots. I think it's buggy or inconsistent. I recall times where I've only had to hit the left captive ball a couple times, and AAB was then lit at the scoop. And then there are other times where I've completed a "stack" of the three captive balls, and it's done nothing!

I only play GB on location, so I don't have benefit to take glass off and test how the captive ball and its insert lights state (solid/blinking) behave. Can you do some glass off testing and shed light on it?

^^ says everyone. Current implementation of SFMB is too difficult imho, and not much fun.
Only helpful to me for:
1) Taking advantage of the multi-ball with ball-save running to collect:
- as many ghosts as possible
- PKE value from switch hits if I have PKE Frenzy stacked with it.

2) If I have Loopin Supers running, and get fortunate enough to have only one ball on R flipper with 1-2 on L flipper, AND the Left Scoleri brother in down position.