Yup. That's always the way I feel when I get it on TSPP. Who wants to contort themselves and play the multiball with your face practically pressed against the glass? Interesting gimmick to get through maybe...twice... then it's like "make it go away".

I noticed that in the LE video. Now it looks like you may have to qualify each ball. No more three ramp shots to multiball. For better or worse.

That's true. This is something a neophyte to pinball (sorry Neo ) at home is not going to want to do. Hopefully Stern swaps in thicker wire forms pronto. Otherwise this could be an issue for every machine sold. Actually how could it NOT be an issue on every game? Don't all three variations use the same gauge wire?

Back on topic... can anyone guess HOW Stern will offer a fix for the lightweight wireform by the ghost target? I can't see them asking the average consumer to pound the thing out in their living room... not to mention the other parts under there nearby that may need to be removed to get to it. Then they would want you to further drill out the hole in your brand new PF?

Wouldn't be much for some (most?) of us but there are some new buyers that won't be up for this. As Art said, they could off a thicker
wire with a taper at the bottom to go through the existing hole but I suspect the entire thing may start to bend over as the weakness will still be there... right where it goes into the PF. Weakest link and all that.

They may fix it before they ship hopefully too many more machines (right after KPG's though - jk) but what about the machines already out in the wild?

This will be interesting to follow at least

They'll send you a new wireform for example. Heck if it's already bent on some machines and impeding the captive ball it could be called defective... so they usually send the parts and are delighted you'll do the labor.

Yup... 3 to 3.6k is around 5.3k today. Nowhere near the 7k and up some models are priced at... but the market seems to accept it so what can ya do?

Yeah you're absolutely right - still I'm glad pins survived at all. Lately I've been grateful for TWD especially

Are they from the standup target next to the ramp entrance? Because you could bend it downward and then put in a shim behind it to keep it pointed down. You won't see the shim and this has made a huge difference on some of my older machines that had the same problem.

That's actually a damn good clue. The posts have fused with the cc as it hadn't fully cured. So this lends some credence to the theory that the ghosting occurs due to a lack of drying time. Maybe new owners really *should* wait a month with the glass off... what a situation

People said the same thing when WMS shut down... "you won't be able to get parts, etc"!! Instead a whole cottage industry built up around it and the same will happen for Stern machines if the company ever shuts down.
Ramps and boards will be remade, etc. If there are people out there with money then somebody will try to step in to meet the demand.
Let's just hope Stern sells enough machines in the meantime to build up the critical mass of owners.

You'd think so except there seems to be at least three people here reporting the same odd issue (with pics). Maybe they ran out of the correct piece and simply painted the old style to keep the line moving? Very strange indeed...

Look into some threads as others have raised him and shaved his ass.

Strange they couldn't manage this monumental issue at the factory though...

Well I posted on their FB page after the very first LE video and asked about slimer dragging his butt all over the plastics, etc...
They didn't get it and said "Slimer is made of a soft plastic and will not be affected. This is normal behavior."

Since they didn't get it I followed up with "but what about the plastics, brackets, etc underneath him?"

This question was ignored so I gave up.

You're about to challenge KPG for "worst big chips". Sorry to see it - send those pics to Stern pronto.

Yeah if Stern were a football team they might be classified as being in the "all-rookie rebuilding phase". Maybe they actually DID lose an entire division of people that knew what they were doing but this is getting painfully embarrassing.

You open the box of their most expensive top-of-the-line product and you get mismatched rails, sharpied up damaged cab, ghosting inserts and chipping clearcoat, ugly "metal ruler" fix for the poorly designed wire ball guide, ugly wire "fix" on the top of Slimer who STILL stumbles all over the PF. This along with JT's slapdash design work that includes massive airballs and inlanes that can't keep the ball in play.

What's most disturbing is the customer can fix Slimer's butt from scratching up the game in an evening but when the company was asked about it earlier they say it's "normal game behavior"...as if think it shouldn't or can't be fixed. Have they either gotten this incompetent, or uncaring or have simply forgotten that in the pinball hobby... details matter?

Look at the Hobbit, Big Leb and RZ... these can have issues too but the companies at least SEEM to care. Maybe this is just good PR work but if so Stern is losing the PR war. It's starting to look like they could care less what you pull out of the box... seems like there's no pride left at all in what they deliver.

Makes me sad... but c'mon Stern - Git back yer mojo! Now!

Your captive ball wireform already has the Stern "fix" installed. Looks like a metal ruler shoved in there that also has the dubious distinction of blocking the light and making the area there less attractive.

I guess an actual thicker wireform was out of the question

Where you get everything: Amazon.

Or probably a Hobby Lobby, Michael's, etc if you are determined to burn a little gas

Stuff works well... thick, not that noticeable and easily lifted out if you eventually go with a Cliffy's or use mylar down the road.

Sounds like you are already good to go. The Cliffy protects the areas where the ball violently hits when ejected... isn't there also a 3rd piece that goes under the rail along the right side that fits up against the right side of the center lane too? Not the piece that stands up protecting the side rail. If you have all that in there I wouldn't worry about it.

With all those different metal edges of the Cliffy being then the cling vinyl will probably sit in there in a heap as it won't have much smooth surface to adhere to.

If you can sneak it into another Amazon order the stuff is cheap and good to have around in any case.

I don't think the autolaunch causes the chipping. Just bad behavior down the lane... hitting stay puf, etc.

The overpowered ball eject (from the TROW! hi kanada) is what divots and damages the shooter lane in the pics we've seen.

That, and the fact the clear doesn't seem to adhere to the wood properly. Bad combination. There are several rube goldberg type of ways to calm it down or last resort you could put a much less powerful coil in there. Not sure why Stern thinks it's appropriate to blast the ball into the lane with such force.

Does look pretty satisfying when the dog does that... I wonder if I could... ahh better not

Yeah apparently when they use an older PF with the misspelling for a swap they then "smudge" the date on it so the customer won't know it's an older PF (with the same potential problems).

Don't know why they do this... just seems kinda shady. If they are determined to use up the earlier batch of PF's - then leave the date alone. Why make it seem sinister?

It DID turn out great. Good job.