Quoted from titanpenguin:See my post above, #3710
no, don't think so. I put in it in a few weeks back.
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anyone have any suggestions about premium airball deflectors. I've had 5 of them crack so far from front end impacts.
It's a location game, so it probably get a bit more regular play then home use. seems like every time I try again they break almost instantly, or within a week.
If the deflector isn't installed, then the ball flys around the playfield and breaks other stuff. I tried the modfather ones & the ones from little shop (which were made by one of the pinsiders here I think). The modfather ones hold up better, since they are thicker.
Tried installing it normally a couple times
Tried low profile 5/16 nuts on with a little bit of thread locker.
Tried flipping the nylon on the other side to keep the deflector somewhat loose.
Tried added F/F 6/32 threaded 1/4" long post things to raise it a bit, but the slimmer got in the way.
Currently I put small fender washers on the deflector to help distribute how the nut holds the plastic down. to help distribute the force from front end impacts.
next I was thinking about stacking 2 deflectors somehow.
if all this still doesn't work, I was thinking making a metal deflector.
crazy how bad the airballs are on this game.
Quoted from chucksmith:What exactly do the caps do in this case? I get the transistor issue. I should go re-read the paper work.
I asked chas at stern, think he said something about phantom switches and something else. It reduces the A/C noise on the line, which can cause issues with D/C circuitry.
Quoted from PinMonk:I just made one out of PET-G. Took a few tries to get the thickness right so the ball wasn't inhibited going up the ramp, but this has been in use on location for thousands of plays and not cracked or broken yet. I ended up trimming the left inside manually with scissors but the one below is pretty close to the final shape.
appreciate it, was thinking I was gonna have to make something myself. Wasn't sure what yet.
Quoted from swinks:I designed these brackets and for me a couple others that gave me feedback have said that they have made a large improvement.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/GRBNG4DQK/stern-target-bracket-v2-5deg2mm?optionId=63971960&li=marketplace
I believe it is to do with the angle of the bracket and the deflectors are just taming the air balls as the ball has already gone airborne and they are not made of polycarb so will break, where I had a theory and for me it has proven correct to cut airballs down by 90-95% with the small remaining amount still occuring but tiny in comparison hops. Now with a power shot to those targets it fires it right back at lightning speed and not in the air and I am no longer nervous of hitting those targets.
I believe the problem is that Stern have taken the lean forward out of the design and make it now vertical and the rivot is too low so with that combination encourages the ball to follow a upwards trajectory = airballs.
My apologies on the price but it is made at Shapeways so you guys in the US avoid the heavy postage fees (from Aus) and it is made of stainless steel.I had designed and made available plastic wedge prior to this design which was an improvement compared to the standard but needed additional target foam to be a little more effective, but the above is a much better option.
very cool. honestly, I didn't even think about the targets.
I'm down to try something else besides plastic.
if they work even half as good as your saying I'll be very happy.
thank you
Quoted from gweempose:Do you have a cliffy on the Scoleri target? If so, this is most likely causing the ball to get more air and greatly increases the chance of the deflector taking a direct hit?
hmmmmm........
damnit, that sucks. Think the airballs have already broken a few plastics, so chipping the playfield a little won't be the end of the world. just need to make sure the target it as flush as it can be to prevent that from happening. I know airballs have always been a thing, I didn't put those on until later. maybe it made it worse? to be honest I don't remember.
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Quoted from HookedonPinonics:Hocus, I would agree that your machine produces a lot of air balls. When I play it at Einsteins I noticed I was getting a ton. I have a premium as well and have the plastic deflector for the left ramp and never have any. I never thought of the scoleri bros protectors causing more airballs but it makes sense.
yeah I'll go ahead and pop those out next time I get a chance. They seem kinda overkill anyway with how I got the playfield protected.
When I was setting it up at my house I don't remember there being that many air balls either, but that seemed like forever ago.
Quoted from HookedonPinonics:If you do before this Sunday I will be up there for a tournament and let you know how it plays.
Actually did it this last sunday. I think it helped, at least I'm pretty sure anyway.
I only had a chance to play a couple games, though they were pretty short since I suck at ghostbusters.
That flipper gap gets me every time.
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