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Ghost Buyers

By BZarrCaptain

1 year ago


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    #51 1 year ago
    Quoted from mbl1116:

    I understand the use of deposits when running a business, and where the deposit agreement is in written form. But I just wouldn't do it for personal sales/trades for a variety of reasons, with this situation being near top of the list.
    Again, I know everyone's experiences will differ and I don't think there's an objectively right or wrong answer

    I've gladly refunded deposits in the past. Things come up and I get it. In fact, I had a deposit returned to me once.
    This "buyer" has put me through the ringer. Hours of communicating and negotiating, taking pictures, etc.
    I told him after he ghosted me the first time I would not do business with him and did not want to sell the game to him. He persisted and I agreed to taking a deposit and would refund it to him if a last minute change to his schedule occurred. He had a dentist appt that his "dentist reminded" him of last night and asked to move the time until later today. I moved things around and agreed. An hour later he says his friend doesn't want it any more.
    I told him he should ask his friend for the deposit. I also told him he could apply it to another game I have for sale and that I would give it to him for what I paid for it. He wants the game, but wants a better price of course, and why would I even begin to negotiate with him again?
    I don't think I'm out of line here.

    #52 1 year ago

    I'm not sure why you took a deposit and offered to refund it if a "last minute change to his schedule occurred" vs saying non-refundable. You gave him an easy opt out and he took it.
    At this point just refund the guy and now you hopefully know what to look out for, and require in the future.

    #53 1 year ago
    Quoted from BZarrCaptain:

    Am I out of line?

    At some point you need to tell him to fuck off.

    Hang around long enough and you'll learn this.

    #54 1 year ago
    Quoted from gjm7777:

    I'm not sure why you took a deposit and offered to refund it if a "last minute change to his schedule occurred" vs saying non-refundable. You gave him an easy opt out and he took it.
    At this point just refund the guy and now you hopefully know what to look out for, and require in the future.

    I told him a "last minute emergency". Not - "oh I forgot I have to take my daughter to college" which is what his first excuse was. In fact I used the words, "something last minute like a colonoscopy....you know...life changing events" because his daughter excuse was lame. Who forgets he has to take his daughter to college, then the next day forgets he has a dentist appt.? Way too convenient.
    That -and in his last desperate attempt to get his deposit back he stated, his friend didn't want it because "there are other machines out there with more mods for less money". So the issue in the end was the price he negotiated. Seriously? You think he deserves it back?
    I'm extending an olive branch and letting him apply it to another game I have that he wants (at my cost) and he wants it cheaper. Why on Gods earth would I negotiate with him any further?

    #55 1 year ago
    Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

    At some point you need to tell him to fuck off.
    Hang around long enough and you'll learn this.

    I just did in a nicer way. I believe I said I'm done with this conversation

    #56 1 year ago

    Pfft. This guy is a clown. Keep the deposit.

    #57 1 year ago
    Quoted from BZarrCaptain:

    I told him a "last minute emergency"

    Ok well that's different

    Quoted from BZarrCaptain:

    Seriously? You think he deserves it back?

    I'm guessing someone this flakey probably has money issues or makes poor decisions in general, better to just wipe the slate clean and move on.

    Quoted from BZarrCaptain:

    I'm extending an olive branch and letting him apply it to another game I have that he wants (at my cost) and he wants it cheaper

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    #58 1 year ago
    Quoted from BZarrCaptain:

    I agreed to taking a deposit and would refund it to him if a last minute change to his schedule occurred.

    OK, with this wrinkle I'd probably give him his "deposit" money back. In general, it's best for everyone to talk through and agree on what the deposit it supposed to mean and the specific circumstances required for it to be refunded. If it's muddled or open to argument, better to just return it.

    Quoted from BZarrCaptain:

    I'm extending an olive branch and letting him apply it to another game I have that he wants (at my cost) and he wants it cheaper.

    It seems like he's wasted tons of your time and you're now inviting him to waste more of it. I understand the buyer's having some kind of perverse fun jerking you around, but what are you getting out of it?!? Send him back his money and tell him to lose your number.

    #59 1 year ago

    Perhaps a buyer rating system is in order?

    #60 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    OK, with this wrinkle I'd probably give him his "deposit" money back. In general, it's best for everyone to talk through and agree on what the deposit it supposed to mean and the specific circumstances required for it to be refunded. If it's muddled or open to argument, better to just return it.

    It seems like he's wasted tons of your time and you're now inviting him to waste more of it. I understand the buyer's having some kind of perverse fun jerking you around, but what are you getting out of it?!? Send him back his money and tell him to lose your number.

    Except he didn't have a last minute event come up, he stated he forgot he had a dentist appointment. On top of that, in later messages he stated the game was for a friend who decided against it. For all know he was going to flip it and his buyer got cold feet. Maybe he panicked at the thought of losing money on the flip and put down the deposit and had no concern for anyone else's time. Why should I be responsible for that?. I told him his actions created this mess and I'm trying to work it out by offering him to apply his deposit to another game I have for sale.

    #61 1 year ago
    Quoted from BZarrCaptain:

    I told him his actions created this mess and I'm trying to work it out by offering him to apply his deposit to another game I have for sale.

    Well let us know how this works out -- it sounds like this buyer may never have actually completed a purchase, so you could be enjoying the back-and-forth for months to come!

    #62 1 year ago
    Quoted from BZarrCaptain:

    Why should I be responsible for that?. I told him his actions created this mess and I'm trying to work it out by offering him to apply his deposit to another game I have for sale.

    You shouldn't be responsible.

    What you should have done is told him to fuck off.

    #63 1 year ago

    As soon as a buyer starts telling you about his tale of woe, and seven miles of bad road, it's time for YOU to call off the deal, and erase his contact info.

    Move on and find a buyer that is serious and excited to put cash on glass.
    You don't need this guys problems becoming yours.

    #64 1 year ago
    Quoted from finman2000:

    ....said no pinball wife, ever.

    My wife has, at least with buying lol

    #65 1 year ago

    OP - Keep the money and sleep well at night. He jerked you around enough, not to get his money back. Maybe he will learn a valuable lesson this time, and save other people from getting jerked around by this clown in the future.

    #66 1 year ago

    First id never take a deposit, any sale is done in person in a single transaction. But having said that, id refund the deposti and get the guy out of your life.

    Yes he was probably annoying and wasted your time. But its not worth the bad blood or continued interaction with someone who is likely to become angry and seek out soome kind of revenge. In the end the guys flaky behavior didn't actually cost you anything.

    #67 1 year ago
    Quoted from gjm7777:

    If someone wants something, they don't make excuses - they make arrangements on when to be there to pick it up and it's not exclusive to pinball. I always recommend talking to the person on the phone before agreeing as well, you can typically tell right away if they are serious or not. If they don't want to talk, easy way to weed them out.

    This guy could not be more right.
    I offer to speak to any potential buyers, and it always put's their mind at ease to then set up a smooth transaction.
    And I can usually tell: 'This is someone I do OR do not want to deal with" by the way they talk and the Q's they ask.

    Flip side as a buyer:
    I insist in speaking with any long distance sellers prior to driving, because you can tell a bunch from a simple conversation, about who you are dealing with and the pin you're interested in.

    Tire kickers don't need to be outed/named - chances are most of us already know who they are and how to weed them out.

    #68 1 year ago

    I don't take deposits, so forgive my question, but why would someone take a deposit if the idea is to just give it back when the deal falls through?

    #69 1 year ago
    Quoted from Monk:

    I don't take deposits, so forgive my question, but why would someone take a deposit if the idea is to just give it back when the deal falls through?

    Well you're right, it defeats the whole purpose....but I think $500 is a lot to keep bc some guy wasted your time. My understanding is that the game in question was not publicly listed, so it's hard to say whether or not the wasted time cost any additional sales

    It's a good lesson on why you shouldn't hold a game for any reason unless it's a well trusted buyer or it makes sense for you

    #70 1 year ago
    Quoted from jgreene:

    First id never take a deposit, any sale is done in person in a single transaction. But having said that, id refund the deposti and get the guy out of your life.
    Yes he was probably annoying and wasted your time. But its not worth the bad blood or continued interaction with someone who is likely to become angry and seek out soome kind of revenge. In the end the guys flaky behavior didn't actually cost you anything.

    Agreed. Keeping the deposit will send all the wrong messages. Return the money and make it clear no deal. Period. Deposits are fine but like other said, make sure you feel comfortable with buyer/seller first.

    #71 1 year ago
    Quoted from Monk:

    I don't take deposits, so forgive my question, but why would someone take a deposit if the idea is to just give it back when the deal falls through?

    Exactly - a deposit to me is a commitment to buying the machine. I had a trade offer in the works and passed on it for the sale. Now neither is going to happen because he bailed on me.

    #72 1 year ago
    Quoted from BZarrCaptain:

    I told him after he ghosted me the first time I would not do business with him and did not want to sell the game to him. He persisted

    How does one persist after all communication ceases?
    Your continued interaction after saying NO is part of the problem. In your case no meant keep pestering me. The perp will do the same thing to the next seller.

    #73 1 year ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    How does one persist after all communication ceases?
    Your continued interaction after saying NO is part of the problem. In your case no meant keep pestering me. The perp will do the same thing to the next seller.

    If you have a machine that someone wants and you tell them you're not interested in selling but they keep increasing their offer:
    THEN - you find out your job was eliminated
    THEN- he pushes the offer to a point where the fiscally responsible thing to do is let it go.
    Thanks, but I don't need you telling me what I meant when I said NO so many times.
    What would you do?

    #74 1 year ago
    Quoted from Monk:

    I don't take deposits, so forgive my question, but why would someone take a deposit if the idea is to just give it back when the deal falls through?

    Anytime I make an offer on a game that I can't pick up immediately due to distance, I email (and call) the seller and offer to Paypal a $100 or $200 deposit. I ask them to remove the ad, consider it sold, and I'll pick up the game this weekend, and if for any reason I don't take it they keep the deposit.

    I've never had someone NOT do it and have never NOT taken the game.

    #75 1 year ago
    Quoted from BZarrCaptain:

    I don't need you telling me what I meant when I said NO so many times.
    What would you do?

    NO means NO.
    You can’t complain about the buyer being wishing-washy when you’re being wishy-washy.
    When you say no but you mean maybe or yes you’re telling everyone your actions don’t follow your words and it’s ok if theirs don’t either.

    #76 1 year ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    NO means NO.
    You can’t complain about the buyer being wishing-washy when you’re being wishy-washy.
    When you say no but you mean maybe or yes you’re telling everyone your actions don’t follow your words and it’s ok if theirs don’t either.

    You read the part where OP said he lost his job?

    #77 1 year ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    NO means NO.
    You can’t complain about the buyer being wishing-washy when you’re being wishy-washy.
    When you say no but you mean maybe or yes you’re telling everyone your actions don’t follow your words and it’s ok if theirs don’t either.

    No means no for that situation. As the situation changes the answer may change.

    #78 1 year ago

    Money constraints can change how we respond. If the op was financially comfortable right now I believe that he would be acting differently.

    Regardless, keep the deposit. I have given and taken deposits knowing that I could loose it or keep it if they or I back out.

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