Wow, thanks for taking all of the guesswork out of my list!

I’d definitely like to give Marco some business. We went to our first TPF this year and they were super nice folks. Gave my wife a great deal on a t shirt that she wanted.

What is the “tasteful LED mod”? Is it much different than just buying a kit?

If so, is there a list of the types and number of bulbs I need? If I’m cleaning the inserts, I’m going to go ahead and swap in LED’s at the same time.

One last question: what’s the consensus on using a virtuapin cabinet for a restoration? It seems like it would cut many hours of stripping, sanding, and bondo’ing of the old cabinet. Also you could have the new cabinet completed and then just swap in the guts, with minimal downtime and less chance on forgetting how things are installed.

Yes please!

NP.

Do not buy a kit! It's probably cheaper to make a custom kit yourself. Tasteful is what you like but not over saturated colors, look for rainbow puke threads and you'll see.

Comet is my preferred bulb supplier, no ghosting for inserts. I like twin SMD else where but it depends, frosted or clear on the situation.

Use your original cabinet

Here's an example

All LED and most all frosted, there are Natural White (more blue/white better for cool colors) and Warm White (more yellow/white better for warm colors) frosted red, frosted yellow (frosted bulbs have a glow, less harsh or less intense than clear) but the 2 head lights are twin SMd clear faceted which gives it that star pattern

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This is the result, prior to installing my backglass
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Absolute dittos on this. Do not buy a kit as it will cost you more and you may not like some of what they do. Way back in the thread somewhere (you can search) I did a full write up on mine. I've made a few changes since that time, but I should be a really good starting place for you.

Is a supercharger test time of 124-130 normal?

Very slow. 100ish is the goal. Its possible you have 1 out of the 3 supercharger coils not working. You can toggle them in the Test menu and figure out which then try and fix it.

I just tried testing them individually and it seemed none of the would get the ball around the loop individually.

It would only complete the loop with 2 coils enabled. It didn’t matter which 2, and it definitely picked up speed when I kicked the 3rd coil on.

After seeing Jakusa's amazing restore it looks like he was able to get mirror blades in his Getaway. Anyone else had any success putting in mirror blades. My Getaway there appears to be no extra room at all to get them in.

Mine is the same way, tight as hell. My Jackbot was the same way so I pulled the pf and sanded one full layer of wood off where the blades go. Took a while and I had to shim the pf lock bolts with metal washers on the outside of the cabinet for the hinge pivots to take up the slack because that area of the cabinet was now thinner. I have the mirrors on and the pf comes no where near the mirrors.

That is too slow, I know this is new for you so the 1st thing to try is to get brand new pinballs, see if that helps... I doubt it will drop too low but magnetized pinballs are slower in the SC

BTW, are you talking about the upper outhole? I'm not clear on the issue so please post pictures, both top side and below the playfield

I just swapped in new pinballs and ran the test and got 135. The driverter seems tight with no noticeable play.

I noticed when I ran the supercharger test I would see the #1 opto open every time , but #2 and #3 opto would only show open sporadically when the ball passed through. For example it might be only once in every 5 or 6 loops.

Ok here you go-

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Whoops, wrong coil

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Hard to tell what's going on with that kicker and the outhole but the switch arm coming through the plastic looks ok so I assume the switch is working fine. I can't see the end of the kicker arm in the top side photo. The arm may not be pushing the ball far enough or hard enough

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So it's slower with brand new pinballs?

Opto to test is easy...

Menu

Test

T1

Just break the light path of the opto to see if they register

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See if you can adjust this metal bracket. I believe it is sticking out a little on the left side. It should be parallel with the plastic above it. The ball may be hitting the edge and putting it back in the hole.

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Like this?

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That definitely looks like it could be an issue but I don’t see any room for adjustment.

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Right idea wrong test menu, test all 4 optos (the one you're doing, 2 in between magnets in the back and the entrance opto in the very from on the ramp behind the SC sign)

Test

T1 Switch edges

You may need to take that bracket off and bend it back in shape

Put a ball in there with the game on and it should try to kick it out. You might be able to see what’s going on

Ok I took the supercharger cover off and tested all 3 optos in the “test switch” mode and they opened and closed just fine. The other 2 optos for the entrance and loop made tested fine as well.

that's a good idea, especially now that everything is out of the way

I did that a few times and it seemed to work fine. Of course when I put it all back together it will start doing it again

No way I could get real ones in mine w/o scratching terribly. I did buy some mirror vinyl that I might try sometime when I get tired of my themed DIY ones that I made.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/getaway-club-dispatch-run-a-make-on-license-plate-kingpin?tq=blades&tu=mr_tantrum#postbox

Can someone post a similar view of their bracket location?

I thought I had one but I don't, I looked and mine is a real pain to get to at this point, sorry.

Try bending the bracket upwards a little. The top of it may just be a little bit low causing the ball to hit it and bounce back into the hole.

I know you said you tested your SC magnets 1 at a time and it wasn't strong enough to make the loop but try it this way, it should make the loop with just any of the 1 active

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Ive used that type of vinyl in many applications over the years at work and unless the surface you are applying it to is super smooth it usually doesnt look all that great.

This by itself may or may not be an issue. To some extent i see the same thing with mine but i get much better speeds so you might try just cleaning the optos in case they are dirty and maybe not registering consistently when the ball is moving quickly. Mine didn't look dirty but cleaning them still made a slight difference i think. The speeds you have are about what i get if i disable one SC coil but you already have proven all 3 of your coils work at least to an extent.

You can do this with air or sometimes a q-tip and alcohol may be required.

Also, i did have a problem at one point after waxing everything with the ball slightly hitting the plastic covering the hairpin turn on the left and being slowed. Make sure yours isn't.

Just tried it that way and the only magnet strong enough to make it around the loop is #1. I don’t think any of them give the ball enough momentum to get it past the first magnet once it makes the loop.

So if magnet #2 is on it will kick the ball around and make it just barely inside the supercharger housing and then the ball falls back down the ramp. Same happens with #3.

Aussie model traffic light in and running!

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Did say that all of the opto were working correctly?

Oi, Oi, Oi!

Hey, can you detail your lens mod on the supercharger?

PINSOUND ALERT - As if I don't beat everyone over the head enough with my PinSound fervor. Anyway, inspired by an instrumental track that the Onlyest pointed out not so long ago, I'm working on a new orchestration.\

This one will be all instrumental cover versions of recognizable rock songs. I think that a good non-vocal orchestration would be upbeat and fun to play along to. I have most everything planned to get started, but for those who are curious, here are some examples of the music I will be using (FYI - I Can't Drive 55 will be the primary theme track):

- I Can't Drive 55:

- Personal Jesus:

- Hold on Loosely:

- She Sells Sanctuary:

- Several others

Yes it appears they are working.

Ok, so if you run the SC test with 1 and 2 or 1 and 3 do you see an improvement in ball speed vs just 1? I'm wondering if magnets 2 and 3 aren't working (several possibilities).

Yes it appears they are working.

2 magnet speed, no shatter which 2, all appear the same. It’s either slow (2 magnets), or ok (3 magnets).

I doubt this has to do with a slow supercharger, but I just installed my Kahr pro daughter board.

I get a solid red LED and a blinking green LED meaning my 5v supply went both above and below 5v.

It seems to play fine except for the slowish supercharger. Should I and try to troubleshoot the 5v? Or not waste my time until I see a playability issue?

I'm not familiar with that product but I thought that was used to prevent random resets; were you having reset issues too?

I did have a reset issue on day 1, but I fixed it after I found a loose mounting screw on the power driver board.

The kahr board monitors the 5v power supply which is usually the culprit causing resets. It also takes load off of the 5v by powering the MPU using the 12v supply.

That's a good catch by you and often over looked as a potential issue causing resets. My reset issue was caused by a faulty thermistor which I replaced undoing the reimport hack.

I think you could have some tracing to do to figure out some of these issues, my gut on the SC is the accelerator board under the playfield (this was my issue with my SC) but there are other potential causes.

I'm not sure how deeply you want to dive into this, my knowledge is limited in comparison to many on Pinside but it also depends on your experience and comfort level. Many years ago I sent my accelerator board out for repair to Clive at Coin Op Cauldron (great guy super knowledgeable) it resolved my issues but I'm not sure how I got to that point. Probably just dumb luck because that was about 13 years ago when I was fairly new to the hobby. This could be the case for you as well but if it's not it's a waste of time and money (if the board isn't the issue) plus your game will be down until you get the board back. It would be best to figure out what's causing your issues and then decide if you feel comfortable doing the repairs yourself or pay someone to repair the machine (there is nothing wrong with paying an expert or tech to fix your pin, it may help you learn more).

If your going to own a machine you'll need to be able to do certain fixes yourself because the machine will breakdown at some point. These are usually easy fixes, at times some tricky and frustrating ones, but you will have to get familiar with your pin. Start with the little things soon you'll be able to work up to the bigger issues but do not bite off more than you can chew because there is the potential to make things worse...

Any tips on bulletproofing the up/down ramp? When i got the game it had a ramp error, and was doing the thing where it just goes up and down over and over... so I fiddled with it, and got it working (yas!) but last night it came back. Works pretty much spot on in test. Went in, bent the switch actuator down a bit, seems fine again? My first instinct is replace the micro switch of course, but I’ll be damned if it doesn’t seem 100%... any thoughts?

That looks great!

What the heck is with the giant yellow traffic light anyways? I’ve never seen one that looks like that.

Mine has always done this as well. Even now after a fundamental restoration with everything as it should be, this is still present. Are we sure this is not a software bug?

Okay, just posted my latest (9th) Getaway PinSound orchestration to the community (awaiting approval before it is available for download). Again, all instrumental cover songs on this one.

http://pinsound-community.org/forum/index.php?/files/category/22-getaway

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Tantrum thanks for doing all these pinsound mixes. I have started using one of yours a base for my oi oi oi version