question gambit was wondering hows the shaker motor on this does it really add to the gameplay are the points where it shakes tied to specific sequences for hulk only seems the perfect table to have a shaker motor on and seems it would add to the immersion of the gameplay

Here are some pictures of Hulk #97:

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I looked at the Hulk arm location and it is clearly intentionally blocking the Hulk Smash target. I do not know which modes that the Hulk Smash target is supposed to be available to shoot, but it is definitely part of the game. I suspect that the ball hang ups just need to be shaken loose more frequently (a programming issue to make it like Hulk is swatting the ball). I have only played a few games with a high of 19 million and did not have any hang-ups but I am sure the ball will at least get behind the arm at some points.

I agree with Gambit. The glare from the mirrored backglass is the worst I have seen. Fortunately I already have a piece of Invisiglass ready to install.

Another thing I am not clear on is what the VUK is supposed to do with the ball. Right now mine weakly spits the ball in the general direction of Hulk but I do not know if it has the strength to actually get to him.

One question for others that have the game. Is there a code update that we are supposed to install yet?

Invisiglass installed, and that is much better.

Shaker motors aren't really my thing. It fires when you hit any of the character shots, and during Hulk Multiball. Seems like it could be implemented a little more into regular Hulk hits and ball interaction. I had to go play a game just to watch for the shaker.

The Avengers Jet plastic really probably just needs to come off, to free up visibility to the top right corner. There is plenty on the PF, anyway. Don't know how to get visibility cleared up on the inlane inserts, but I will play with it.

Bonus multiplier is lighting all six inserts on the top drop throughs, which is a challenge. The skill shot is a standard "drop through the lit insert lane" shot, but when you hit it, both inserts for that lane are lit. It makes juggling the inserts lit as the ball is bouncing up there pretty challenging and fun. The inserts are cool, as they are the character symbols - so I want to clear that area to see them better.

The starts to the Hulk and Loki Multiballs are really good.

Full day of play, trying to avoid "honeymoon opinion":

Really fun game.

Cool shots.

Simple rules, but not easy at all.

Coolest looking machine to date, and until WOZ lands.

Needs some code attention, but nowhere near as incomplete as XM at release. In fact, this code feels more polished out of the box than the current XM code.

There is too much dress up and plastic on the PF. This will need attention. Three problems areas, identified above: top right corner, Loki Lock plastic blocks Fury target completely, inlanes obscured. My initial thoughts are: (1)the Jet plastic needs to be eliminated in the top right corner - exposing a diverter coil, ala ACDC Bass Drum Mod cover issue. (2)Loki Lock plastic may need to be eliminated completely. There is nowhere else to locate it that I can identify. It is a physical lock, almost exactly like the sword locks on LOTR. We don't have nor need an Aragorn Lock Light, because you see the balls locked right there. Same thing here. (3) the dual layered plastics that cover the inlane inserts need to have at least some window to see if the insert is lit or not. This could be as simple as drilling a small hole in the plastic, just to see the light.

THOR drop targets are hard to see. I looked at the drops on the left side of TRON in comparison, and TRON is at a slight angle toward you, and the plastic on top of the area is slightly thinner.

I still have yet to experience anything that I would consider a trapped ball issue on Hulk's arm that needs attention.

Thanks again for the thoughts Gambit. With respect to the current code, do the modes play out as described in today's video by Gomez on the pro (i.e. is the Thor mode a Thor vs. Hulk mode? Or is IM's mode just "hit IM 4 more times?). No video of the LE's that I have seen have shown how the modes work in the shipped code.

Have a great Christmas and enjoy the game!

I was able to start the Thor mode tonight but I was so busy playing I did not pay attention to the goal or whether it was Thor vs. Hulk. I will get a better grasp next time for sure. When a pin is new there is so much to take in.

I definitely see a mod in the future for the Loki lock lights plastic and the inlane plastics. Both are blocking the view of targets/inserts as Gambit mentioned. You cannot see Nick Fury at all from the player position.
For the inlane plastics, Maybe Pinbits or Laseriffic could make clear inlane plastics that are identical to the existing plastic and then a scan of the original plastic could be used to make a decal that has a viewing area cut out.

As far as scoring, it seems to me that the game is in the ACDC/TRON difficulty range as I have about the same number of games played with those as I do with Avengers and the scores and ball times seem comparable by my best estimate.

I have not seen any of the VS. modes. I have had Hulk, Black Widow and Thor lit. Iron Man is the toughest shot in the game, IMO. I have started all modes other than IM.

This game is fun. There will be complaints about the visibility, rightfully so. But it can and will be corrected.

Top score so far is 53M. A ton of that was on a huge bonus multiplier, that I'm not sure how I collected.

Sounds like the versus modes aren't done yet. Probably will be in the first code update.

Gomez added comments on Facebook respecting the LE video. He said there is "more code on Monday" and "lotsa goodies".

Maybe code updates for TF, Xmen and Avengers all on Christmas Eve. That would be a nice gift.

Yep he also mentioned that they wanted the real actors like RDJ, but they werent interested.
If they went for them then the pin would have been in the 20K range he said.
So Stern initially tried to get them, but money, was like to be expected a problem.

can you move the loki lock lights to where it is on the Pro to maintain some height as it is quite a flat game.
it's a idea and a fairly large mod, part maybe the lhs and rhs ramps could be replaced with some wire forms ramps - I know it is alot of effort but allowing the in lanes near the slings to be seen easily.

Dude seriously. Give it a rest until you play your own game. To be totally honest, if the ball pauses once per game for a *whole* 5 seconds on the moving hulk arm, big deal. And there may not even be a problem. I have an xmen. Was I in panic bitching about the aux board before I even opened it? No and thankfully so as its never gone out. Should I have been bitching about my acdc cannon issues when my game had none? How about play your game and enjoy it. Then evaluate it and see what needs to be done then. Constant ragging on a game that you don't have that you have never seen for problems that "people report on the phone" is near nutso

You know we are all waiting for holy crap this game rocks post from Gerry : )

Thanks for the update Gambit, if the game is fun but there are visibilty issues, this game could be a success. Just need some mods to help out the trouble spots.

Will post my mini review up later today: played hulk le for 4 plus hrs yesterday

This seems like one of the smoothest releases stern has had in a while, and people are still riding their nuts.

I've consumed every piece of Avengers pinball media I can find, and I think the game looks sweet as hell.

Post of the year! All hail RareHero!

Gerry's karma points have gone from 9k to 15k on avengers alone!

The fact that "Marvel approved" actors exist tells me that Marvel doesn't want other voice actors doing their characters. My guess is that impersonators weren't an option.

You know we are all waiting for holy crap this game rocks post from Gerry : )

FYI, MY LE arrived last night as a surprise b-day present from the missus.

Withholding review until I play more. Was in a state of shock last night.

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Awesome!!

Awesome! Happy Bday and enjoy!

You're a lucky man! Congrats!

I got up this morning wanting to immediately go play the game. That's a good sign.

53M? I'm impressed! I can't break 28! Have no real clue as to rules yet. IM shot is a bitch. Coil pulse needs to be set to hard...and pitch of game is very important, especially in limiting ball hangups around Hulk.

Sometimes I think "one more game factor" is a bad thing! Usually means the game is kicking your ass. TFLE has that quality form me, as does my CSI, and Avengers would appear to be the same. It's the most beautiful pin I've ever laid eyes on too.

That game was the outlier, for sure. I completed Thor and Hulk and had Widow and Cap lit. Then the final bonus was 8X, and I don't have any clue how. But it added like 12.5M to the score at the end.

I have also played with pitch. There is a sweet spot here. It doesn't want to be steep like ACDC, that is for sure. That makes the Widow ramp much tougher and slower, and even makes the skill shot plunge tough to get to the top.

After playing the game more last night, I have a feeling Gerry will be saying something similar to what you said

Gerry's been quiet lately- he may be playing it and loving it!

I know what you mean. Those games are mostly the ones that stay the longest.

DCFAN,
did you see Buddys pic of the Hulk and Woz together. You are in for a world of green : )

I had this problem on XMEN. I ended up wrapping the flouescent tube in printer paper and it toned down the brightness so I can see the top of the playfield and the backglass is still a uniform brightness. Cheap and a 5 minute task and it made a huge difference.

Yes I did, but I will not be putting them next to each other. I like to spread the green so to speak

I will probably do an order something like Hulk/SM/WOZLE/LOTR to get the similar themes together (and that will also separate the greens).

could you take a good picture of your backglass? I am curious to see what it looks like; George said the backglass for the boue version was awesome looking
thanks
d rock

George was hyping the version that is moving slower sales-wise? Colour me shocked! Shocked I say.

Heard from severel people that have saw it that the blue version looks really sweet not just george.

Maybe it has more mirror effect on it? It's hard to show that in pictures.

you need to take the bulb out the glare is so damn bad on this one

Replacement (homemade) clear plastics?

He just needs a Shrek.

The replacements would need to have the slots to mount the flasher domes so we really need a professional like Laseriffic or pinbits.

Marvel approved voice actor doesn't really mean anything.

Marvel has to approve the audion used in the game. If I sneezed and that was used in the game, my sneeze would be "Marvel Approved".

Gerry,
I fealt the same way you did about the audio until; I played it. The audio is great. Hulk sounds awesome and so do the other avengers too; the only one thats sounds off is nick fury, but even if they used the same people to do the voices as xmen the call outs are done better on avengers for sure. Like I said I think when you play it; you will have no more gripes about the voices.
ps LOKI's voice is well badazz