Genesis ramps

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Genesis ramps


By Ross

4 years ago



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#1 4 years ago

I know they are impossible to find, and nobody seems to be remaking them at this point.
But, if anyone has any additional information or leads, let me know.

Thanks,

Ross
Minnesota

#2 4 years ago

To reproduce or not reproduce lies in the hands of Steve Young at Pinball Resource. I know he wants to reproduce them, but he seems to have a long list of "to do's" and this just isn't near the top. Don't know why he wouldn't just contract with one of the existing ramp makers. I even offered to do it for him and he turned me down.

#3 4 years ago

I don't understand that 'me or nothing' mantra either.

#4 4 years ago
Quoted from dothedoo:

I don't understand that 'me or nothing' mantra either.

It's all about the benjamins.

#5 4 years ago

I'd sure love a set, too.
I've made a plaster of paris mold of one of them and started building a vacuum forming box, but I have several other more pressing things going on [secret project, star gazer restoration] so unfortunately, it's taken a back seat for now.

#6 4 years ago

Pretty much every Genesis I have seen has at least a crack in one or both ramps. This would be a good seller I would think...

#7 4 years ago
Quoted from Frax:

It's all about the benjamins.

I know, right? But so far it's zero benjamins...how is that better?

#8 4 years ago
Quoted from dothedoo:

I know, right? But so far it's zero benjamins...how is that better?

If the time-to-bejamins ratio of producing something else is higher than this. =P

#9 4 years ago
Quoted from dothedoo:

I know, right? But so far it's zero benjamins...how is that better?

Can't always reason with people. If Steve Young's phone demeanor is any indication, I am not surprised. It's like the American Pickers, they often find treasure troves of beat up motorcycle parts that are owned by people who are too old and too inundated with stuff to ever get to them all. But they'd rather sit on the stuff than sell it because facing the reality of what you can actually do vs. potential is too tough.

#10 4 years ago

I am one of many that are looking for reproduction ramps as well. There were 3500 Genesis pinballs machines made. I have read where people restoring these machines have had to manufacture there own. I hope the demand for these will drive production in the not to distant future.

#11 4 years ago

The folks at Twisted Pins stated their intention to re-make them in a different thread here.

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/announce-twisted-pins-to-enter-the-ramp-arena/page/3

#12 4 years ago

I hope someone remakes them and it be cool if they can be blue or purple

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#13 4 years ago
Quoted from 2Kaulitz:

I hope someone remakes them and it be cool if they can be blue or purple

I would have settled for some of those clear ones that were floating around a few years back

#14 4 years ago

If no one builds them when I get to my genesis i am going to vacuum form my own

#15 4 years ago
Quoted from crlush:

If no one builds them when I get to my Genesis i am going to vacuum form my own

Well when you do I will pay you fairly to make me a set as we'll if you would be so kind.

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#16 4 years ago
Quoted from crlush:

If no one builds them when I get to my Genesis i am going to vacuum form my own

I could use a set!

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#17 4 years ago

Hmmmm.... These might be fun...

2 weeks later
#18 3 years ago

OK... I am completing a round of Space Station ramps and then I am going to move on to "alternate" ramps that will fit Genesis. I have no intention of reproducing the stock pink ramps. I intend to make both a clear PETG as well as a dark blue acrylic. If interested let me know as I have started a list.

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#19 3 years ago

Bump. Just finished my SUPER nice Genesis and only bad thing now is the ramps.
Probably in for blue myself. Clear might look equally good due to all the artwork under the ramps.....

#20 3 years ago

Do not worry guys. I have been waiting for two years for ramps. I sold my Genesis last week so I am certain there will now be an overflowing abundance of repro Genesis ramps. Lol

#21 3 years ago
Quoted from jmountjoy111:

Do not worry guys. I have been waiting for two years for ramps. I sold my Genesis last week so I am certain there will now be an overflowing abundance of repro Genesis ramps. Lol

I hate it when that happens!

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#22 3 years ago

Ramp update. Began making molds today. Hope to have the first test ramps in about a week.

#23 3 years ago
Quoted from Freeplay40:

Ramp update. Began making molds today. Hope to have the first test ramps in about a week.

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#24 3 years ago

So for those interested, I have a set of ramps that I will use as models for these. I do not have the game and would be interested in seeing photos of both entrances to the ramps. I did receive photos from one other Pinsider and at least from his it seems pretty obvious why they got hammered. I don't remember the post, but someone was trying to get Cliffy to provide some protection. From the photos I just saw as well as those on the IPDB, would seem logical that the posts that are there to protect the leading edges of the ramp should maybe be a little more substantial? If anyone has come up with something different at the entrance I'd like to see it. I am certainly going to make this ramp in in Clear PETG for its durability, but this might not be the best application for an acrylic colored ramp, without some beefier protection at the entrances.

#25 3 years ago

Original unmodified ramps on my machine, as far as I'm aware:

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Todd's staff @ TNT made these protectors (screenshots from one of his Genesis videos), though I'm not sure how I feel about having to drill holes through the ramps in order to secure the protectors. I'd rather see a solution that didn't require a permanent modification.

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(Screenshots starting at 1:25):

Another alternative that they came up with (seen at 3:15):

I can take some more photos of my machine this weekend if you want additional reference photos. Let me know what angles you'd like to see.

I was actually considering trying my hand at reproducing these ramps since I ended up with a set that were intact. But if you're already well on your way, it doesn't look like I'll need to

#26 3 years ago

The posts at the entrance protect from direct strikes. Unfortunately, the ball will ricochet off the post and then hit the opposite side of the ramp entrance. Ouch!
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#27 3 years ago
Quoted from ChrisHibler:

The posts at the entrance protect from direct strikes. Unfortunately, the ball will ricochet off the post and then hit the opposite side of the ramp entrance. Ouch!
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The posts in the photos above are exactly what I was thinking would be better than what I saw on the IPDB. What TNT shows is a good idea and will certainly protect them. I'm less concerned about the clear PETG ramps...However, if an acrylic color was done, I would certainly want the added protection. I suppose I could rivet ramps guides on both sides of the acrylic ones....maybe even rivet them a little loose and back them with some silicon. I certainly plan to do the clear ones, but we may have to experiment with colored ones.

#29 3 years ago

Could you sand the underside of the PETG ramp with fine grit sandpaper (1500, maybe?) and use an airbrush to paint?

#30 3 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

Could you sand the underside of the PETG ramp with fine grit sandpaper (1500, maybe?) and use an airbrush to paint?

If you sand the bottom with red scotchbrite, go to a hobby store that sells rc cars, they sell paint to paint clear plastic, when you buy aftermarket bodies for rc cars they come in clear and then you paint the underside however you want, and when you flip it over it looks great, the paint they sell seems to stick pretty well even after bouncing the car off a tree. You can buy them in spray cans or brush the paint on.

#31 3 years ago
Quoted from Freeplay40:

So for those interested, I have a set of ramps that I will use as models for these. I do not have the game and would be interested in seeing photos of both entrances to the ramps. I did receive photos from one other Pinsider and at least from his it seems pretty obvious why they got hammered. I don't remember the post, but someone was trying to get Cliffy to provide some protection. From the photos I just saw as well as those on the IPDB, would seem logical that the posts that are there to protect the leading edges of the ramp should maybe be a little more substantial? If anyone has come up with something different at the entrance I'd like to see it. I am certainly going to make this ramp in in Clear PETG for its durability, but this might not be the best application for an acrylic colored ramp, without some beefier protection at the entrances.

I think the mod TnT used looks pretty good and if it keeps the ramps from breaking again I wouldnt hesitate to drill a few holes in the ramps to protect them.

#32 3 years ago

Hi everyone, I'm new here. Genesis is my first of two pins, and I've had it for about two months. Please add me to the interest list as my ramps are getting pretty bad. I want to clean up the playfield but without replacement ramps I hesitate to remove the existing ones.

#33 3 years ago

When Freeplay makes these ramps you guys are gonna LOVE them. I bought his HS and Space Station ramps and they are FANTASTIC.

#34 3 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

Could you sand the underside of the PETG ramp with fine grit sandpaper (1500, maybe?) and use an airbrush to paint?

While the stock ramps look pretty good in the game, I'm sure that most of you would be shocked when you removed them and got a good look at the underside. The factory paint job really looks more like a fast light dusting. Not what I expected to see. I do not intend to offer painting but like crlush says there are products out there to paint plastic....and after seeing the quality of the factory paint job, pretty sure any of you could do as well, or likely better. Haven't check available colors, but Krylon has also marketed a range of "Fusion" colors specific for plastics.

As soon as I get a set ready to test (need to ship them back to the party that loaned me his) I may throw a coat of paint on the prototypes just for fun.

#35 3 years ago
Quoted from Freeplay40:

While the stock ramps look pretty good in the game, I'm sure that most of you would be shocked when you removed them and got a good look at the underside. The factory paint job really looks more like a fast light dusting.

Yeah, I was surprised at how bad they looked up close. I wasn't expecting to see that.

On mine, the paint job is very uneven--in certain areas, I can almost see right through it.

#36 3 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

Yeah, I was surprised at how bad they looked up close. I wasn't expecting to see that.
On mine, the paint job is very uneven--in certain areas, I can almost see right through it.

Same on the ones I have.

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#37 3 years ago
Quoted from Freeplay40:

So for those interested, I have a set of ramps that I will use as models for these. I do not have the game and would be interested in seeing photos of both entrances to the ramps. I did receive photos from one other Pinsider and at least from his it seems pretty obvious why they got hammered. I don't remember the post, but someone was trying to get Cliffy to provide some protection. From the photos I just saw as well as those on the IPDB, would seem logical that the posts that are there to protect the leading edges of the ramp should maybe be a little more substantial? If anyone has come up with something different at the entrance I'd like to see it. I am certainly going to make this ramp in in Clear PETG for its durability, but this might not be the best application for an acrylic colored ramp, without some beefier protection at the entrances.

I think clear would look alot better than the opaque purple. add that and a new ebay translite and you have a pretty darn cool game. alternate cabinet decals I saw look awesome too but expensive and likely a difficult job?

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#38 3 years ago

any progess on the clear ramps freeplay? I have the machine all dialed in just waiting on some cool ramps then I will LED it. Games in nice shape and super cool. All ground mods had been done very nice to boot. i have it set at 7.5 degree pitch and she's fast!!!

#39 3 years ago

Yes... I'm getting close. Had to stop and do some re-engineering on my machine. Also had a brother from Costa Rica in town for 2 weeks. These ramps are proving to be a challenge. I've made 4 molds so far. Now just need to fine tune the process. I will certainly be making them in clear PETG but if I make them in colors, I would recommend the new protectors mentioned above. Just for fun I molded one out of some very thick clear acrylic.. (3/16") just to see if I could. I cracked it taking it out of the mold, but that thicker plastic was really cool looking optically!

#40 3 years ago

cool man. hate to keep bugging you but the purple ovaries gotta go!

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#41 3 years ago

RAMP UPDATE...........

So, I wish I could say that I have been relaxing and doing nothing. These Genesis ramps are proving to be extremely difficult to get a good consistent product. If you look closely at your originals, in the flat area toward the upper part of the ramp (where it mounts) you can see indentations that are actually on the underside. I have wondered if this is why they opted to paint them. Anyway, those indentations are caused by what is called a "plug". A plug is used in the forming process to assist in the actual forming. The design of these ramps requires that the forming process be assisted. The difficulty comes in trying to keep that "assistance" from showing. I have modeled these in both male and female molds and have gone back and forth several times. I have even tried forming them with 3/16" PETG, but the problem caused by the design simply won't allow them to be made without assistance. I came pretty close with today's test and have decided to modify yet again my machine to produce these. In today's test I used some screen to add texture to the flat top of the ramp as a means to minimize the effect of the plug. I have now decided to actually mechanically assist the plug process to insure consistency. I hope to have that done tomorrow. In the mean time here are some photos of the form I did today for the left ramp which show the texture I added... Let me know what you think about the texture.. My hope is to come up with a process where I won't need the texture, but I think it adds an interesting effect.

more to come.... Mark

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#42 3 years ago

Keep plugging Mark!
I understand the reason for the texture, but most folks are going to be purists, like me I think, and prefer non-texture.

Thanks for the udpate.
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#43 3 years ago

Look awesome

#44 3 years ago

Those need tron style leds.

#45 3 years ago

I'm not sure about the texture. have to see it installed.
many thanks for your work and I'm in for a set texture or not.

#46 3 years ago

That looks great,,, even with the texture!! Count me in on a set!!

#47 3 years ago

Were you still doing blue ones? They look pretty good to me.

#48 3 years ago
Quoted from crlush:

Were you still doing blue ones? They look pretty good to me.

Probably.... once I master the forming process!

#49 3 years ago
Quoted from Freeplay40:

RAMP UPDATE...........
So, I wish I could say that I have been relaxing and doing nothing. These Genesis ramps are proving to be extremely difficult to get a good consistent product. If you look closely at your originals, in the flat area toward the upper part of the ramp (where it mounts) you can see indentations that are actually on the underside. I have wondered if this is why they opted to paint them. Anyway, those indentations are caused by what is called a "plug". A plug is used in the forming process to assist in the actual forming. The design of these ramps requires that the forming process be assisted. The difficulty comes in trying to keep that "assistance" from showing. I have modeled these in both male and female molds and have gone back and forth several times. I have even tried forming them with 3/16" PETG, but the problem caused by the design simply won't allow them to be made without assistance. I came pretty close with today's test and have decided to modify yet again my machine to produce these. In today's test I used some screen to add texture to the flat top of the ramp as a means to minimize the effect of the plug. I have now decided to actually mechanically assist the plug process to insure consistency. I hope to have that done tomorrow. In the mean time here are some photos of the form I did today for the left ramp which show the texture I added... Let me know what you think about the texture.. My hope is to come up with a process where I won't need the texture, but I think it adds an interesting effect.
more to come.... Mark

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Here's my credit card #...

#50 3 years ago

Going to take a few days break on these as I have to do some work to a friends Centaur that is getting over due. Stay tuned!

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