Queen of Diamonds
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Quoted from o-din:
I asked him to do the light blue one as you seem to be the only one that has the dark one. And yours seems to be in pretty good shape. I'll just leave the original in there if that doesn't pan out.
I would buy a light blue glass too... have zero interest in the dark blue, rare or not.
I think part of the beauty of that glass, IS the baby blue color.
¿Que no?
Quoted from Pinballprowess:
I would buy a light blue glass too... have zero interest in the dark blue, rare or not.
I think part of the beauty of that glass, IS the baby blue color.
¿Que no?
Gotta wonder what prompted him to do the dark blue one. Hopefully he can churn out some light blue ones at the same time if enough people request them.
Gotta wonder what prompted him to do the dark blue one. Hopefully he can churn out some light blue ones at the same time if enough people request them.
Yeah, I was wondering that myself.
I just passed it off to my usual luck... the luck o' the Polish.
I would buy a light blue glass too... have zero interest in the dark blue, rare or not.
I think part of the beauty of that glass, IS the baby blue color.
¿Que no?
The dark blue one matches the playfield much better. But, I wouldn't mind having the only one known to exist even if someone else's is a repop.
Quoted from Pinball-DOOD:
Ned Beatty shows love for Queen!
It looks silly though with wooden legs. Those look like the big chunky bingo wooden legs too, not the more slender pinball ones.
Quoted from jrpinball:
It looks silly though with wooden legs. Those look like the big chunky bingo wooden legs too, not the more slender pinball ones.
Hey, man I have the wooden legs! I like them haha, matches the wooden side rails and lockdown bar 
Hey, man I have the wooden legs! I like them haha, matches the wooden side rails and lockdown bar
Yes, but they don't match the metal coin door, arch and card tray!
Yes, but they don't match the metal coin door, arch and card tray!
You are speaking of the original red legs right? Queen's coin door is tan! 
Yes, but they don't match the metal coin door, arch and card tray!
I'm just teasin, everyone has their own style!
The original legs are cream colored metal ones. My '57 "Royal Flush" has this type as well. Pinball Resource has suitable repros.
The original legs are cream colored metal ones. My '57 "Royal Flush" has this type as well. Pinball Resource has suitable repros.
Hm, Queen of Diamonds seemed to appear equipped with red legs back in the day before we owned it (pre 1971). I can tell due to marks on the cab where the old legs used to be!
I know the wooden legs aren't original but my machine has red markings where the old legs were! I believe Gottlieb (like every other company) put any legs that were available that day on the machine during its production. These were money making machines and not for home collector. Most of these older pins show differences in terms of characteristics including artwork differences, parts used... so who knows!
I know the wooden legs aren't original but my machine has red markings where the old legs were! I believe Gottlieb (like every other company) put any legs that were available that day on the machine during its production. These were money making machines and not for home collector. Most of these older pins show differences in terms of characteristics including artwork differences, parts used... so who knows!
The red flat legs were only used in 1956 on a few games.
From 1957 they went to 31 inch cream flat ( not ribbed ) and then around 1961 approx they went to the 31 inch ribbed.
PBR only sell the ribbed. The flat cream legs are very very hard to find. The flat red as used on games like Auto Race 1956 are even harder to find.
Operators would not have cared what legs went on the game when it was moved around so it might have had red legs on for 50 years but it wasn't Gottlieb's doing 
Quoted from Shapeshifter:
The red flat legs were only used in 1956 on a few games.
From 1957 they went to 31 inch cream flat ( not ribbed ) and then around 1961 approx they went to the 31 inch ribbed.
PBR only sell the ribbed. The flat cream legs are very very hard to find. The flat red as used on games like Auto Race 1956 are even harder to find.
Operators would not have cared what legs went on the game when it was moved around so it might have had red legs on for 50 years but it wasn't Gottlieb's doing
Ahh, interesting! Thanks for telling me! You learn something new everyday
Ahh, interesting! Thanks for telling me! You learn something new everyday
Took me a while to figure it all out as hard to find this kind of info even on the net!
I have never seen a flat red set of legs for sale.
If you see a decent set of 31 inch flat legs for sale, grab em while you can as they are tough to find.
Last game to feature wooden legs ( Gottlieb ) was Frontiersman 1955.
Took me a while to figure it all out as hard to find this kind of info even on the net!
I have never seen a flat red set of legs for sale.
If you see a decent set of 31 inch flat legs for sale, grab em while you can as they are tough to find.
Last game to feature wooden legs ( Gottlieb ) was Frontiersman 1955.
I'll look out for them for sure!
I'll look out for them for sure!
I only ever got one game that has an original set of flat cream legs - not re-sprayed - touched up.
This is what they look like for future reference.
No rib in the center like the later legs.
I only ever got one game that has an original set of flat cream legs - not re-sprayed - touched up.
This is what they look like for future reference.
No rib in the center like the later legs.
Man! Super 50's haha. Thanks again!
I only ever got one game that has an original set of flat cream legs - not re-sprayed - touched up.
This is what they look like for future reference.
No rib in the center like the later legs.
Yeah, the red ones that Gottlieb briefly used, the red ones Williams used quite extensively (some have an exaggerated bend at the top to flare the legs out more), and the cream colored Gottlieb ones; all with no stiffening ribs on them are tough to come by. I always try to scoop them up when I see them.
I really enjoyed my QOD before I needed to sell. It was in excellent condition fast and fun. The one woodrail I have had and sold that I would get again once additional space is found.
Great to see you enjoying American toys of the past. Pm me if you come to Phoenix on break or vacation.
Quoted from BenetBoy78:
I really enjoyed my QOD before I needed to sell. It was in excellent condition fast and fun. The one woodrail I have had and sold that I would get again once additional space is found.
Great to see you enjoying American toys of the past. Pm me if you come to Phoenix on break or vacation.
Thanks! It's a killer game, mine plays super fast I love pins of all eras, every pin is great! And awesome, man will do
I know the wooden legs aren't original but my machine has red markings where the old legs were! I believe Gottlieb (like every other company) put any legs that were available that day on the machine during its production. These were money making machines and not for home collector. Most of these older pins show differences in terms of characteristics including artwork differences, parts used... so who knows!
I doubt it. A company cannot be that inconsistent - they were consistent unless the machine was a sample or prototype which I have seen use "extra parts" that were laying around.
The culprit is likely the 50 something years the machine has been around. I get games with the wrong legs all the time.
Quoted from Otaku:
I doubt it. A company cannot be that inconsistent - they were consistent unless the machine was a sample or prototype which I have seen use "extra parts" that were laying around.
The culprit is likely the 50 something years the machine has been around. I get games with the wrong legs all the time.
Ah, you'd be surprised. Games like "24" by Stern include different parts on some of the productions. I agree, modifications have been done to the game throughout its life but it hasn't been changed since 1971. The type of "legs" would not be a factor the average player would notice. As stated earlier, these machines were intended to make money. The only reason I thought the legs may have been red (I now know that QoD was equipped with tan flat legs) is because the color of legs on a game doesn't serve as a significant enough issue. The same size legs but different color does not hinder upon gameplay.
Ah, you'd be surprised. Games like "24" by Stern include different parts on some of the productions. I agree, modifications have been done to the game throughout its life but it hasn't been changed since 1971. The type of "legs" would not be a factor the average player would notice. As stated earlier, these machines were intended to make money. The only reason I thought the legs may have been red (I now know that QoD was equipped with tan flat legs) is because the color of legs on a game doesn't serve as a significant enough issue. The same size legs but different color does not hinder upon gameplay.
Well, I would figure the "24" thing would be official changes in design and parts, as you said, per production - rather than just a "grab whatever junk is on the shelf" attitude/system per each machine. I know executive decisions like that are made.
Well, I would figure the "24" thing would be official changes in design and parts, as you said, per production - rather than just a "grab whatever junk is on the shelf" attitude/system per each machine. I know executive decisions like that are made.
I attended a seminar hosted by Steve Ritchie and the topic in regards to the design of that specific game came up. This is where I acquired my information.
Well, I would figure the "24" thing would be official changes in design and parts, as you said, per production - rather than just a "grab whatever junk is on the shelf" attitude/system per each machine. I know executive decisions like that are made.
The toys were purchased at a local mall for that game. Saved money for the company.
otaku Sorry, man didn't mean to come off as a dick! I just heard about this stuff at the seminar so I thought it might have been the same situation with the legs hahah
otaku Sorry, man didn't mean to come off as a dick! I just heard about this stuff at the seminar so I thought it might have been the same situation with the legs hahah
No, no, no, you absolutely didn't come off as a dick, no worries at all! 
Definitely was great cool information to hear!
No, no, no, you absolutely didn't come off as a dick, no worries at all! Definitely was great cool information to hear!
Thank you, sir! I was kind of shocked when I heard it too! Pretty insane they did that to a mass produced product! 
Wow, that's schweet!!!
Thank you, sir!!
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