I think they'll keep Jorah alive if only to stir up shit later with Jon. There was clearly some awkwardness set up between those two and Dany and i imagine it will only get worse once Jorah realizes that Jon is carying his family sword and basically became a surrogate son to his father. I like Jorah, but he has a history of making poor decisions that the show is likely to let continue, at least a bit longer.

On another note, it appears that the Hound was wielding Gendry's hammer in the preview for next week... I'm wonder what that implies.

If you all haven't seen the Honest Trailers for GoT on YouTube, you should check them out. My wife and i have referred to Jorah as "Lord Friendzone" ever since seeing the first one a few years back.

Yeah, Jorah has achieved full friendzone status.

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I simply love this show; and this season, while rushed on the timeline, has been epic.

Glad Drogon is unharmed and still a bad ass. And giving Jon Snow the nod of approval, Drogon must know he's full Targaryan I believe.

Cersi is quite possibly the coolest villain ever. So so evil - such a great character and actress throughout this whole series. She has Jamie wrapped around her finger and he can't do anything about it; and anytime he does have a thought about it, Cedsi knows how to reels him back. Btw, I'm pregnant with your baby......don't ever betray me again. Lol!

Sam Tarly is a complete bad ass. He's done so much digging and now has so many keys in his hands including the truth about Raegeros (sp) targaryan and Ned Starks sister. Don't know if any of you picked up on that in this last episode. Plus, he has the plans to forge dragon glass into weapons. I hope we see Gendrys forge some bad ass shit.

I am very curious to see what happens with Arya, Sansa, and little finger. Who's spying on whom? Arya spying on little finger and finding out who he really is? or is little finger playing a game with Arya to get what he wants?

Loving the show. I just don't see how they can wrap up this series with 2 episodes + 1 more season. Is that all confirmed or just rumors? I have a feeling we're going to be in for a lot more twists, turns, and critical deaths before the end of next season.

Btw, what did the note that Arya found in little fingers room say?

It was the note that Cersei forced Sansa to write calling Ned a traitor. I assume, NOT the note that the Maester had just brought Little Finger, but one he planted for Arya to find.

About the wall - There's a lot of misinformation about the wall (like Brandon the Builder, etc). This YouTube channel has a bunch of really great videos about all kinds of theories and backstories, including about the building of the wall: https://www.youtube.com/altshiftx

No way Jon Snow is Targarian. Do you see any blond or white skin?He is the son of Robert Baratheon and Ned's sister, whatever her name was, and the true heir of Westeros. We'll see....

His dad is Rhaegar Targaryen. The reason Ned raised Jon and hid his true parents from everybody is because Robert would have had Jon killed if he knew Rhaegar and Lyanna were his parents. It was Lyanna dying wish.

He's absolutely Targaryen and it was just confirmed in the last episode that he's not a bastard. So he's the True heir of Westeros in that manner.

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Jon is half Stark. The Targarians' that are blond are because of centuries of inbreeding. No outside DNA. One of Rhaegar's other children, Rhaenys, was born with brown hair also. Her mother was Elia Martell.

The dragon sniffing John's hand and almost nodding in approval was a clear hint that he's also a Targaryen, what was one heck of a scene in the last episode

Just because the "mad King" raped her doesn't mean Jon is there child. It is possible that Jon is Robert's true son and was hid for the same reasons, actually more from Cercei. There is no concrete evidence yet so don't be so certain. Robert told Ned multiple times that he loved his sister. Just sayin...Jon has darker skin and black hair like the Baratheons and Starks. Like I said, we'll see. Jon and Dany are hookin up and then that would be incest according to you guys.

HBO poured the concrete, so you can be certain.

HBO says Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark.
http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/got-connections-ned-promise-tower-of-joy-infographic

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Have you seen the show? I get that Jon being Roberts true son could be possible in the books; the foreshadowing all over the place and could support that theory. But the show has just basically confirmed it. They didn't spoon feed it to the audience but all the clues are there. And incest is common among Targaryen.

Aerys II Targaryen was the mad king....i think you should go check out some of the facts your missing. Robert loved her but she loved Rhaegar Targaryen. She ran away(volunteered kidnapping) with Rhaegar away from Robert, he never raped her. It's all good though the show definitely has alot of twists to keep up with.

It's my understanding that the last book isn't even written yet. Of course I watch the show, I don't watch the end commentaries tho. If HBO has said that then I missed it, but if it hasn't been written yet how do you know the authors true vision.

If Raegar is Johns father, which seems pretty much set at this point, and there was a marriage between Lyanna and Raegar which also seems likely and means Nohn is not a bastqrd but a Targaryen, wouldn't that mean that John has a stronger claim to the Iron throne than Danerys?

He's not being hidden from Robert, he's being hidden from Cercei. She is a ruthless bitch and why she is one of the last Lannisters standing. Bran saw the tower birth and he's knows who Jon's parents are. Let's ask him. Oh they didn't clearly reveal it yet did they.

Yes, pretty sure Jon would have a stronger claim if he's legit. Which it certainly sounds like he is although I'm curious how the "proof" will become known (if it does). Sam clearly didn't realize what he was hearing and even if he did, he probably wouldn't know it was about Jon. Bran probably knows or will know, but that's not exactly enough proof for anyone to back Jon over Dany.

Regardless, Jon probably doesn't want the throne nor would he honestly be a very good king (or alive long), if he stumbled on to it.

I just can't wait for someone (Arya) to kill Littlefinger. That guy must be a great actor because just seeing his face gets me all riled up. I've seen him in other shows and movies and when he comes on the screen I instinctively shake my fist at the screen and say "you'll get yours Littlefinger".

Have they 100% committed to the spin off being a prequel? I'm hoping for something in the future and not the past...

I would be very surprised if one of them wasn't based on the Dunk and Egg stories. They're quite good too, albeit quite different than the GoT series.

Or is he? He could actually be the son of Robert and Cercei. Their dark haired first born so who passed away shortly after birth. Gendry recalls his mother was a yellow haired tavern whore.

And is Tyrion actually half Targaryen (the mad king hit on Tywin's wife)? It would explain why the chained up dragons let him come up to them and unchain them. Thus he did not kill his dad.

Both would have claims to the throne like Jon.

Tyrion still would have no claim as he would be a bastard Targaryen even under that scenario.

Has that plot point really been set up on the show (other than the dragons not burning and eating him alive on site when they buried in mereen)?

I don't remember one. The whole dragon thing didn't dawn on me until it happened to Jon Snow. It would also explain why his father hated him so much and was going to kill him.

That poor bastard deserves his own wing in the friendzone/blue balls hall of fame.

Lyanna was promised to Robert, they were not married. Them running off together started Roberts Rebellion.

Kinda off topic but every time I watch the intro I think how awesome the map would be as the playfield art or side art for the pin

Good god, has nobody read the books?

Lyanna Stark was promised to Robert Baratheon. Prince Rhaegar won the Tournament at Harrenhal. After winning the tournament Rhaegar took the laurel of winter roses and presented them to Lyanna instead of his own wife, Ellia Martell. This began the events leading to Roberts rebellion. A year later Rhaegar took Lyanna Stark to the Tower of Joy with Ser Arthur Dayne and Ser Oswell Whent. There is a lot of importance to who came to take her, I will get back to that in a minute.

After Lyanna was taken Lord Rickard Stark (Ned & Lyanna's Father) and Brandon Stark (Ned & Lyanna's older brother) both raced to Kings Landing to demand Rhaegar's head. The Mad King arrested them as traitors and strung them up. Lord Rickard was burnt to death and Brandon was strung up and ended up strangling himself while his father was being burnt alive. This started the rebellion.

Robert Baratheon claimed that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna and raped her, but Ser Barristan Selmy believed that they were in love. This is where the show fails to give viewers some crucial details that make all these "clues" make sense. In the books we get to see some of Neds "memories" about Lyanna's death when he is waiting for death below the Red Keep. Through the other books we get more and more little fragments of those events but you really have to pay attention. Ned and Howland Reed were the only two that survived that day so the information is sparse. THe show gives us a visual account but unless I missed it, the show fails to give some crucial information about that scene.

Ned Stark, Howland Reed, and 5 other Northerners arrived at the Tower of Joy to find it guarded by Lord Commander Gerold Hightower, Ser Arthur Dayne, and Ser Oswald Whent. Where the show fails on this scene is a piece that the book gives out early. I don't remember exactly where but I believe it's Barristan Selmy giving a historical account of the Kings Guard. He tells how about the function of the Kingsguard and explains that their purpose is to protect the royal family and ONLY the royal family. So here we have the 3 most trusted and most powerful Kings Guards standing guard outside a tower that holds nobody except Lyanna Stark. Big fight ensues and the only survivors are Ned and Howland Reed. Ned goes inside to find Lyanna.

In the show we see her dying in a bed covered in blood, in the books we learn that she is dying in a "bed of blood". In book 1 Mirra Max Duur (red lady that tries to save Khal Drogo) tells Dany that she knows all the secrets of the "Bloody bed" and has never lost a child herself. Lyanna tells something to Ned which we see as the whispers about not letting Robert know. While this is going on Robert is killing Rhaegar on the Trident and Jaime is killing the Mad King and opening the gates. Rebellion is over, Robert is king, and Ned returns home......with a newborn baby that he claims is his bastard from some commoner woman.

All the pieces are there. Now we know why the 3 most revered Kings guards are protecting the Tower of Joy, they are protecting the prince's newborn son. That means that Dany is John's aunt. In line of succession though the prince's son would be before the prince's sister. In last week's episode they fully let the cat out of the bag while Ghilly was reading the Maester's books. Prince Rhaegar had his marriage annuled so he could marry another. Rhaegar marries Lyanna and now John is a true born Targaryan.

Now I am going to have to go read the books again just to see if there is some mention of annulment that I might have missed.

Maybe later I will get into why John Snow is the reincarnation of Azor Azhai or The Prince that was Promised. Azor Azhai rose up with his flaming sword (lightbringer) to drive back the darkness and end the Long Night.

Just watched next weeks episode!! It's online if people can't wait!

HBO Spain screwed up and had it up for about an hour. Now it's been ripped and shared everywhere. I streamed it from putlocker

Yeah, i think that's what a lot of people (myself included) hoped would be a basis for Stern's art.

Hope is not lost though. Check out what this guy is doing. Very cool:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/game-of-thrones-superfan-edition-personal-project

I saw some of the screen grabs from the next episode, but will probably wait to watch it on Sunday.

The screen grabs showed me the major parts that are going to happen, and I can't wait.

Yup, just watched it and will be watching again on Sunday night on my big tv. Hold on to your hats, boys.

Edit: I haven't read the books at all, but from the reviews I've read I remember that Rhaegar's wife Ellia was barely was able to have 2 kids and was told a 3rd would kill her. He believed the three-headed dragon thing meant he needed 3 kids, so the annulment was probably with Ellia's knowledge (possibly blessing) as she couldn't produce more heirs. Then he chose Lyanna and etc etc. I mean, they literally cut away from the shot of the baby in the tower to Jon Snow's broody face for like 5 minutes, and have him petting dragons, so HBO certainly isn't making a secret of it anymore.

Guess I won't be visiting this thread til Sunday.

Episode 6 was accidentally leaked by HBO Spain last night. If I decide to watch it then I'll keep it to myself this week.

Yes, PLEASE DO NOT GIVE ANY SHOW SPOILERS FROM EPISODE 6. I'm enjoying all this GOT and would hate to have the next episode ruined before Sundays regular broadcast.

Great thread! Thanks to those who have read the books and added some of the detail and back story.

I've enjoyed this series since the day it premiered.

Nah I wouldn't do that. When episode 4 leaked I downloaded it and then decided not to watch it. Sunday is my one TV night with the wife so I didn't want to ruin it. Probably wont this time, especially with only 2 episodes left.

The books are absolutely worth reading. If the new one ever comes out (I'm really beginning to worry) I plan to re-read the older books before getting into the new one.

There are enhanced editions of the books on ibooks. Has anyone here tried them? I have never read the books, so that may be a good option for me.