That and the shortest winter ever with grass or whatever that was sprouting north of the wall at the end. Dumb.

Isn't winter supposed to be decades or longer?

Yes.

Yes, that's why it was super dumb to have the "hope" of a green blade of grass in the far north at the end when winter JUST started. It took like 7 seasons to come and one season to be over. And no one aged enough for there to be a 10 year time jump before the character wrapup. Bad, lazy writing and storytelling that can't hold a candle to seasons 1-5.

the night king dies, so winter dies maybe? He seemed to bring it with him wherever he went, that's for sure.

I really liked the last episode of Breaking Bad. But if you felt everything fell into place a bit too tidily for Walt, take a look at Norm MacDonald's theory that it was all a fantasy as he lay dying in that frozen Volvo in New Hampshire ...

But it got worse well after he was killed, bad enough to hit King's Landing in the south hard.

I’m pretty sure that was ashes, not snow. There was no snow in Kings landing before the battle. Only snow that hit Kings landing was the tiny amount at end of S7 when Jamie was exiled.

Yes. It’s not the bad writing so much as people not paying attention.

Yeah I was back and forth on it, but when Dani grabs the Iron Throne there's a closeup and they look much more like ice crystals on it than ash. Also, if that's ash, it's the whitest ash ever. We literally had the same thing here in California where it rained ash for days and it was much dirtier and much less accumulation from a much larger and longer-lasting fire.

Those were ashes from our dried up trees and bushes, not human bodies

John and everybody is mad at Dany for destroying Kingsland so he kills her? I guess he would rather jerk himself off at the wall then be married to Dany and ruling Westeros. Weak. Drogon just grabs Dany and goes to dragon land? Weak. Not a single thing for me to say that was good about the ending.

Here’s a great video, it has a bit on the next episode, a behind the scenes / making of / bonus footage show. It also has a lot of the history of Westeros that will be featured in the upcoming prequel series.

This YouTuber is called Emergency Awesome, and he’s got videos breaking down each episode from the beginning. They’re a great watch for anyone wanting to learn a bit more.

Another video breakdown. Jump to 15min mark to get to bran’s plan from the beginning.

Chaos is a ladder and Bran is the best climber.

Great news - It was billed as being the last ever episode by UK TV.

This has been making the rounds

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Various loose ends:

Tyrion it in his head that she would always see him as a threat and would probably kill him at some point. Probably true.

https://twitter.com/Rocketeam/status/1130995620695617537?fbclid=IwAR0VQ9DnVx2mlZP2Wgbq-Tb4Tg6anVJVmd9D-UvjRsuXbsZGJ-jfOBrPO3U

Hopefully that link works because it is golden and a much better ending.

that’s a bummer; you missed out big time.

http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/21/thanks-new-zealand/

Martin says he wants to have the next book done by summer 2020. Whether or not that actually happens is another story.

That's a good one.

No. Way. Unless he really did finish both books like that rumor he denied. He's definitely done with the next one because his schedule magically cleared up for appearances and other stuff after being on lockdown. Probably just waiting for publisher timing on the release.

Book done vs released are two different things. We can hope it's done, at least that means it'll be released eventually.

Sucks at his advanced age there's a whole other book he still has to write even after the next one that has taken forever.

I think like Rothfuss, it's mostly written, just needs to be edited and stitched together. Chapters rewritten, moved around, added, etc. Hopefully that means someone else could step in and finish it like Sanderson/Wheel of Time.

Sing with me:

"I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok...."

Just watched the entire series in the last 6 weeks.

I’ll need to read this thread about the finale season but I’m quite disappointed mostly about how they treated John.

John should not be treated as an outcast but as a hero.

Bran meh it should be John as king no doubt about it.

I'm not familiar with any characters named "John"

OK, the pitch meeting made me chuckle

Yes. He has the best skills to be King, he is the only one who can control the last dragon. Have you seen that he can scream a dragon to death? Awesome.

Don’t be too disappointed, Jon ended up exactly where he wanted to be.

Ya might want to rewatch the series. Game of Thrones is not the story where good things happen to good people, quite often bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people. Also, Jon from the very first episode wanted to travel to the wall and live in the north, other then Bran, he’s probably the only character that actually got what they wanted.

How it should have been:

I watched a bit of that "Last Watch" doc on hbo. One thing is clear, their full effort was put into this last season. I feel bad for everyone for the criticism and how insulting it is for petitions asking for a re-do. It was an impossible task to complete the show with the amount of hours of TV they had, but not from lack of effort of everyone involved.

Was it the best series finale ever? Not even close. Was it a disgraceful betrayal of everything that came before? Of course not. It was a decent, mildly unsatisfying, way to end to the story. I wish they had taken another couple of episodes to build out Daenerys' heel turn so it didn't feel so abrupt, and give us a bit more Bran so his ascension would have seemed less random (never thought I'd be asking for more Bran). But I get that this was an exhausting process for the showrunners and they were read to move on, so they did what they could with the time they'd given themselves.

Mainly, the finale has got me excited to read the last two books (if George R.R. ever gets around to finishing them). Even if he sticks with the major plot beats, you know he'll do a much better job developing Daenerys' transformation, and hopefully make Bran seem like a plausible choice to take the throne.

Looking back, I'd say I quite enjoyed the series even if the ending did not blow me away. Although it's a step below the very best shows, like Breaking Bad and Sopranos, that's not a bad place to be.

I enjoyed the HBO documentary on the last season. I like how it focused on so many of the people behind the scenes. It really is amazing to see all of the work done on that show.

Maybe I could see Danny becoming enraged if she had given Cerci a chance to submit had more face to face with the two or Cerci had just executed Mesendai so that Danny would have had more reason to go nuts, she had never acted this way killing innocent women and children.

I agree. What it really feels like is that they had the entire story going for an ending with either Jon or Dany on the throne for 7 1/2 seasons, then were told with 3 episodes left that they had to put Bran on the throne and were like "oh crap". So they hurried and made everything change extremely quickly to follow that narrative, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The way the previous 7 1/2 seasons were filmed don't support the ending really, Bran like disappeared for large sections of time and was basically non-existent for the most part, a small side story most of the time. If he would have been a lot more featured, it would have made more sense. I think not having a clear ending from the beginning made the ending turn weird.

He gets to be with his best buddy and his pet wolf. What was to be disappointed with?

Thought of this ending last night...

White Walkers win battle of the North (maybe some characters escape and ride south), march to King's Landing, and take out city and Cersei. Knight King sits on the throne, changes into Bran. Cut to black.

Or the Night King Scooby-Doos his face off and it was Arya all along. Cut to black as "Killer Queen" drops in at full volume.

OMG, that was funny. "It was a very forgettable horse". LOL

Don’t know why they had to rush the story into 7-8 episodes could have made 10 episodes and let it breath. It was like too rush at the end. Also some scenes just seem dropped out of nowhere like there was a lot of stuff cut out.

They may have done it partly to put more money toward the huge battle episodes, which are crazy expensive (10 episodes worth of budget into 6 episodes). But I'd bet HBO would have coughed up even more cash to get more episodes made, if the show runners had been willing to do it.

My problem with the last season is they just abandoned character arc. Jon Snow just completely became a different person, everything before just went away. Did he learn anything from his first love, apparently not? He was this beast that united the north and literally stood in front of his people and faced the charge. Not a hope in hell he would just stand by and watch the Queen give a speech about bringing Winterfell to heel on the same spot, the only Father he knew, head actually rolled. If he wanted to be or not he became the King and no chance that any one that followed him would have just went oh well they locked him guess we will just wait and see what they do with him. It was the same for almost every character they just ignored everything the show was building.

The Hound was like the only guy that followed his arc and had a proper ending. As much as I enjoyed the character he was side kick and his was like the only story line that worked.

Briana crying in the street, Jamie just going ah never mind I am just dick, Arya never really resolved any of the God of Death and faces thing. Sansa suddenly becomes the spine of the family she was the weakest of them all. Fucking breast feeding brat has a vote in Jons fate it was laughable.

Yea for me, the way the story nor how it ended didn’t upset me, I actually quite enjoyed it. It was the rush to finish That really sucked. If anyone has seen both versions of LOTR movies (theatrical vs extended), that’s what this last season felt like; I’m just waiting and hoping for the release of the extended version of this season.