I'm using standard flipper rubber.

The thing is that there are so many tiny differences in how each game is assembled one person may or may not have the same issue as the other. All I know at this point is with the bracket I get mystery rejects but without the bracket I don't. I've moved that thing back and forth a million times and it's the same result for right orbit shots. Moving it does change my left orbit shots though.

heck, when I first opened my game I could barely shoot the right orbit due to my right ball guide being bent out ever so slightly. I took it off and re-bent it to now have a nice flow/curve and the right orbit now works smoothly.

Cap did you ever post instructions for re-routing wires from under the clear ramps?

No need. It works as described. If I can get things to work without it I'll donate it to someone whom needs one. If not, I'll have to figure out if I like left or right orbits better. My intention of posting was to see if others had the issue and if there were any fixes to that and to also see if anyone had tried a different diverter arm.

I get very smooth and fast left and right orbits - which I very much enjoy!

I am, unfortunately, consistently not registering lit Mystery and Extra ball shots on the right ramp. I should keep some sort of record, but I'd guess is LESS THAN 50%, possibly 25%/30%. Grrr. With glass off switch tests - I never miss. Odd.

Does anyone know what switch/opto registers these shots. Might be some other issue?

Is there a video up on how to remove the upper playfield and ramp ?

Tweaked the switch, seems to be more sensitive. Nailed 100% of the lit right orbit shots on the first game back. Thanks!

To:
Stern, Steve Ritchie, Chaz,

#wheresthefix

Setup my brand new game, and I have this left orbit issue.

yes yes yes

I have installed the fix from capguntrooper
it works !!
thank you.

All,

Just spoke with Stern Tech Support. I was warrantying a bad switch for the upper playfield, and I asked about the left orbit. He said that the recommendation from engineering was to remove the 3 rubber rings on the red top lane posts (above the pops) - He said that all future GOT Premium models manufactured would not have rubbers on those 3 posts.

Thanks for the update.

I thought SR originally said NOT to remove those rubber rings. That it was not the issue?

That sure is a shitty fix for a long awaited and common problem.

Thanks steve richie.

Talk about throwing in the towel. WEAK.

I called Stern about one week ago.

Chaz said to remove the rubber rings, AND that Steve and the team were working on a fix.

After the phone call, I checked my machine, and I saw the rubber was never installed at the factory.

Following that, I did move the diverter towards the front of the machine. That has helped, but it not 100% effective.

Or you could just remove your diverter and slot the mounting holes out so you are able to move the diverter forward 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch, and then play the game with working orbits and forget about a fix. It is what I did and I don't ever care if Stern fix's it as mine is already fixed.

I have an LE. My orbits (when hit well) rarely come back the way they came. I would say 75% of the time they end on in the POPS, which is ok. Maybe 15% go all the way around. If I remove the rubbers, I am sure the the vast majority of the orbits with flow completely around, but debating if it will really make the game better....Not really thinking the posts would get "pulverized" but who knows....

Played a pro again last night. I want my orbits to work. Those smooth orbits coming back at you really make the game more fun and tougher. Still prefer my LE but I want my orbits.

I still think that the only real final fix is a replacement of the diverter itself to get rid of the gap.

One would think Stern would just knock up a lot of diverters and post them out to people with the problems , really can't see why this has not been done .It's as clear as day there is a issue with it .

I played a few game on my Premium today. Left orbit shots were quite smooth all the way thru! - using capgun's diverter mod & coil sleeves on the in-lane bumpers.

Quite happy with Premium's gameplay lately!

Good to hear , I may have to go that way also .

Follow-up, cross-posting from the Club thread - thought it might better belong here:

The Problem:

With capgun's diverter mod installed, I was hitting consistently fast & smooth left orbits on my Premium (which made me happy), but was only registering about 25% of Mystery & EB shots to the right orbit (which made me crazy). Adjusted rollover switch sensitivity to no avail.

The Fix:

1. Removed the diverter mod as suggested by a couple others, but kept the coil sleeve bumper rubber replacements
2. Enlarged the mtg holes to permit a slightly forward positioning of the diverter arm assy
3. Removed a small burr that was forming on leading edge of the orbit lane guide where it meets the diverter arm. Smoothed with my dremel tool. Ball bounces due to the burr are now eliminated. Glad I noticed this issue early.

The Result:

1. Still getting perfectly smooth and consistent left orbit shots, all the way thru, without the diverter mod.
2. Hitting 100% of the Mystery and EB shots to the right orbit. From 25% to 100% - a very nice improvement, I must say!
3. This adjustment made me a very happy camper, and lowered my frustration level several notches!

No doubt its related to position. I did tweak the bracket's placement originally to maximize the left orbit results. I was concerned re-tweaking to fix the right orbit issue would undo my left orbit success. So, I thought I'd first give the bracket-less approach a try.

Just now I played several games. I actually made 3 left orbits in quick succession - left-left-left from the right flipper. Loved it! First time I have seen that on my Premium.

I wonder how long that burr had been there on the left orbit guide rail? Even though the burr was small, the ball clearly bounced off that thing travelling in both directions. That would certainly muck-up an already tight left orbit shot.

Glad I noticed as I was playing around with ball travel with the upper playfield off. Only barely noticeable visually or by touch - but plainly visible seeing the ball bounce while travelling over it.

Finally got a chance to play with capguntrooper's fix -- much needed as my game NEVER completes a left orbit which breaks the flow and kills my multipliers --> and really defeats the whole point of the left orbit.

I am very grateful to capguntrooper for taking his time to investigate and do this fix. Once I opened up my game the problem was very evident. Heartbroken that Stern has done nothing about this because GOT is the most interesting game ever made, but the masses have flocked to GB instead :/

Pretty confused about the negative push-back on this thread: not encouraging for a new pinside member. For people who are confused, try out the GOT pro and you'll see what the gameplay is supposed to be like. I still like the LE better, but having the left orbit shot fixed would be far much more betterer

I have a pro, but I am surprised this hasn't been fixed yet!

Rob

I want to start by thanking capgun for the help and hard work and his gotle divertor helps a lot along with the Lane mod and I have been using them for months with good results and I just was tired of taking my game apart so I was satisfied with the orbit, but today I tryed one more time to get the game closer to orbit greatness by pulling the divertor coil mech and reamed out the holes enableing me to move the unit forward like some have suggested and removing caps divertor,this has solved my orbit trouble almost 100% and now I am enjoying my game as if it we're a pro round and round it goes just fantastic,I am not returning anything to cap and if anybody want the divertor let me know and I will send it to you.

I am also able to hit the extra ball and mistery 100% now

rockrand, congrats on your "orbit greatness"!

Same here; like a new game to see that left orbit shot emerge so cleanly. Hitting Mystery and Extra Ball 100% is a nice side-bonus!

I tried to do this but it didn't work. I reamed the holes and placed it like in the pictures, but I didn't remove anything off the top of the playfield. Will I need to do this to get it sitting in the right place? Did you get rid of the post rubbers as well? I haven't done that.

Hi rockrand -- would you be able to post some pics of just how far you moved the diverter ? And where you reamed the new holes? Thanks !!!!

Btw, does anyone have simple instructions how to remove the entire iron throne assembly from the play field to get to the lanes ? I feel like I am disassembling way too much crap to make this happen.
Thanks !!!

It's the upper sneeze guard on the center ramp that gets in the way (at least for me). Only way I can get it off is to:
- Remove right ramp because you have to remove the mini PF.
- Remove dragon. It's only 4 screws and makes removing the mini PF easy.
- Remove mini PF.
- Remove center ramp.
- Remove the two screws holding the throne down

it really is a lot of parts to remove but after you've done it a couple of times it doesn't take to long. Don't forget to disconnect all the connectors under the PF before you remove things so you aren't having to lower and lift the PF with lose parts everywhere.

Thanks 85vett

I reamed the 4 mounting holes in the diverter arm assy beneath the playfield. I used a stepper drill bit to increase the hole diameter to the next larger size, vs simply elongating them. Just now I inserted a drill bit into the mtg hole to determine the actual diameter. It is now just a shade larger than a 3/16" drill bit, but not quite 13/64". No need to go any larger than this as the diverter arm collar bumps into the cutout in the playfield and gives no additional slack.

The picture below shows the resulting gap. I must admit looking at it now - not a huge change in position, but a definite change in result. Maybe a net ~1/16" - 3/16" adjustment forward.

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Your picture makes it look like you moved the diverter down / away from the flippers - but it your text says to move it up / closer to the flippers. Can you please clarify?

Yes, moved foward toward the flippers. The gap you see at the red arrow (between the mtg bracket & edge of the playfield) was much smaller before I enlarged the holes. The bracket edge was ~almost flush with the playfield edge - maybe ~1/32" exposed.

The diverter arm collar is mashed-up tight against the playfield cutout - all the way forward. No more slack.

Thanks for the clarification - I've gotta keep working on this!!

Altering the mounting hole diameters was initially a concern for me; I did not want to interfere with whatever (if ever) Stern decides as their recommended fix.

In the end, the impact of slightly enlarged mounting holes (vs elongated) should be negligible to whatever fix we ultimately arrive at. I can still accommodate the original/stock condition by simply repositioning the diverter arm assy. The enlarged holes are nice and clean and in no way look like a hack job; the next owner would likely never know I made this very slight alteration.

I was just down in the cave playing a few games. I managed another 3 left orbits shots in a row, in quick succession from the right flipper, then nailed the center ramp to beat house Martell. I beat that house with just 4 shots - quite amazing for me!! Awesome!

I can move my mech back to the orginal position Easley but I don't think stern can do any better than what I did,I also did the lane mod as developed by cap with the sleeves and shrink and that is a must also,I fix the orbits but now am having throne bounce outs, O well I will get it sorted

I did the mod on my GOT LE last weekend , made the diverter holes bigger pushed it forward remove the 3 post rubbers on top lanes .
Result, the pinball is working like a charm , feels so rewarding when you complete that left orbit freely as it should .