!!!ATTENTION!!!!
DISCLAIMER: I am not a STERN TECH, the information posted here is to help assist owners on their STERN pinball machines (more so with GOT LE/PREM models this topic), With that being said I am a owner/operator of a few location arcades. LETS GET TO IT NOW!

This machine truly is amazing out of the box. Over the course of the next few weeks I will be adding a lot of mods to truly make this LE, Lannister worthy. So pay close attention to all the updates and mods that will be added. I have been reading all of the LE threads and noting issues that everyone is having with theirs and have been comparing them with my own. I noticed right from the start that my throne was damaged and have a new one on order. The ticket pin was bent, no biggie as I bent it back. My biggest gripe so far is the shear laziness that went into the wiring of the ramps. I have already started breaking down the mini play field and relocating the wires that run under the ramps so they are not eye sores anymore. Look for next few posts and tutorial on relocating them so they do not stand out so horribly.

The mini play field break down was not all that hard and from what I have seen from under there it is recommended that everyone do it to clean out the mess left behind. I will post pictures later of the mini play field removed. You will see that under the play field there were lots of metal shavings, so all LE owners should check your play fields for that. I am also getting the same 23 tech alerts as others. I will also get under side pics of mini play field for everyone wanting reference pics.

While I am breaking this down make sure to send your requests for any reference pics you all may want, more to follow.

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SLOPPY, yes, but with a little extra work I am betting this will be an all time great, its ashamed it can not be like that right out of the box.

Can you post a pic of where exactly it is hanging up and I will try and mimic the same on mine. I will admit I only put about 10 games on it before I was noticing issues so It may be a more than a few days before I get it put back together completely for final game play, but rest assured I am going to bullet proof this one like my KISS LE.

UNDERSIDE MINI PLAY FIELD

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Was reading about those two screws protruding in the elevator and was having the same ball hang up issue. ALL FIXED NOW! I added two lock washers that made them nearly flush with elevator wall. This is also a must for LE owners even if your ball does not have clearance issues. I would imagine your pin balls getting chewed and nicked up by scraping against those frequently. Replacing 6 balls every 100 plays could get costly over time.

As you can see from outside the elevator and inside the elevator pics those two screws are going to eat up some pinballs if that is not addressed. Pictured from back play field panel I have installed two lock washers for the protruding fix. Make sure you grab hold of the spring and coil at same time or else the coil spring and washers will go flying into bottom of cab.

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I am looking into that but have to remove right and left ramp and then to get a better look. Mine also does not make complete orbits and from what I can tell may not be able to because of the Castle Black gate stopper coil being active, i will investigate further and take lots of pics for the fix I create.

WHATS UNDER THE MINI PLAY FIELD

FYI Not sure if this was forgotten some of the plastic protectors were not removed. i removed this one as it looks like it would work itself off and cause a hang up later on.

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Here is what it looks like after washers have been installed, damn near flush now and no elevator issues. I did the fix on day one but am just now being able to get pics with mini play field off. Bouncy drop targets? Can you take a picture or better yet a video and post so I can see what you mean. Did you check to see of your target retraction springs are connected?

My left ramp was also cracked. My distributor is going to looooove me with all these fixes.

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coming up in a few

MINI PLAY FIELD REMOVAL

Any additional questions? The mini play field can actually be removed without taking dragon off but I figured I would not risk damaging anything or scraping plastics trying to wiggle it out from under dragon. Once you remove dragon and have mini play field out reattach dragon with two screws in back with just your hand so he is not dangling back there.

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Beelz can you please post a picture here showing me exactly where it is hitting? I won't have the play field back together until my replacement parts come in so keep checking back here for the fix maybe end of this week or so. I will be addressing a lot of fixes once I have put my LE back together, as of now I am doing fixes and mods

For everyone asking about my banners, you can get them at Toys R Us here, they only have Lannister and Stark as of now http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=71324726&cp=&parentPage=search I might incorporate the mini guards on the wall as well like I have done with my TWD

Doing rubber replacement with black polyurethane super band replacements. I noticed on the few games I played that the ball would struggle slightly getting into lane and I noticed that the bumper rubber was quite large so I switched it for a smaller one. I also replaced the bumper rubber for the post by left orbit with a smaller one so now it does not encroach into the left lane and is flush. YES, this also makes the out lane wider, but thats why you have adjustable out lane posts, simply move it one notch down and you will be back to even difficulty.

More updates all day long today, stay tuned!

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I hear ya on fast! I am almost nervous with all the polyurethane replacements I am doing. Take a video with glass off and film the ball entering into mini play field where it gets hung up or bricks. then just take a picture of where it bounces from the video and post here, no need to upload video as it would take too long and we would probably not catch it

Adding plastic protectors along with my rustic metal Hand Of The King Toppers I customized, they give the plastics some depth and they look GREAT on an LE, IMO.

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I dint notice this at all on mine. Have you tried different pitches? My suggestion would be to add washers to top plastic entrance to give it a bit more clearance.

Well crap, I couldn't tell ya the size, but if you take the screw to home depot you could just match it up, I just have a tub of them from a parts bin. Is your coil kickback having frequent issues? Check the level on play field. I know on my TWD level was good on glass but not when I tested it on play field so my left leg is like one extra turn higher than right.

I am running 1.02 from factory and have not noticed this, then again I only had 20 games in before I began break down.

Make sure you LE owners get a some mylar protectors on the armor. You might begin to notice the left armor side getting nicked up from your wives rings, specially if you all sold a few extra pins in your collection to get her that extra BLING.

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PICS OF RAMP TO MINI PLAY FIELD

Does everyones GOT LE look like this? or is there additional hardware on mine?

Can some one tell me what this switch does by the two target switches? Does not seem to be labeled

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While I have the mini play field off I went ahead and put mylar in the metal drop lane, I was not keen on cleaning out those metal shavings and once I reassemble this sucker back its not coming back off for a long while.

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Had to cut it myself and it was a PITA, I saved the cut outs so I might do a bulk order for people if there is interests

Game Of Thrones LE RUBBER LIST:

4 - Flipper bands
2 - 2 1/2 ID
1 - 1 3/4 ID
2 - 1 1/4 ID
3 - 3/4 ID
3 - 7/16 ID
3 - 5/16 ID
3 - 3/16 ID
8 - 7/16 MIDIPOST
RECOMMEND
4 - Flipper bands
2 - 2 1/2 ID
1 - 1 3/4 ID
2 - 1 1/4 ID
3 - 3/4 ID
3 - 7/16 ID
6 - 3/16 ID (FOR TOP INLANE RUBBERS FOR POPS ENTRANCE)
5 - 7/16 MIDIPOST
3 - 3/8 MINIPOST (FOR LEFT ORBIT ENTRANCE AND L & R OUT LANE POSTS)Game Of Thrones LE RUBBER LIST:

I was doing some ball tossing through the orbits and noticed more than a few hang ups on the account that the castle Black entrance lanes to the pops have larger rubbers on the posts. As seen from pictures these rubbers are definitely encroaching in the lanes and I have seen the ball hit them and bounce more than few times back in the pops. I will know for sure in a week or so once I get the smaller rubbers in and installed. Check back on this issue in a week or so.

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You do not have to remove upper play field for that, but you will have to remove the mini play field entrance ramp to get to other ramp. I can honestly say removing the other stuff is going to be a lot holder, my suggestion would be to take pics for reference.

I can see that little plastic film falling off at some point and landing in peoples out lane causing some serious hang ups.

Did you get your throne replaced? If so where do you start by removing it? I haven't taken mine off yet as I am waiting for the replacement. It is really pathetic that the last two pins from Stern have made it through QC. I have nearly removed 80% of the play field to correct issue that QC should have found on both my KISS LE and GOT LE. Let me be clear, I am not bashing STERN as a whole, but I am sure as hell bashing the QC idiot letting these things go out the door. IT IS A FRIGGIN LE! If anything there would be 2 QC staff at the same time on these, there are only 700, heck if QC spent the same amount of time Gary spent singing our LE CERTS, they might find half the problems. Sorry everyone, just venting. I have spent more time fixing a BRAND NEW PIN 10 times longer than I have playing it. I can honestly say that the LE/PREM is not for anyone who is just a fan, meaning you will at least need minimal pinball experience in making repairs and adjustments on pinball machines. God help you if you are not aware of PINSIDE. (atheist humor)

Yes, but I would suggest you go with my recommended list for a more smooth flowing game. You will have to do some major break down of the play field to get to the pops rubbers and entrance lanes from castle black. Plan on spending a day or two breaking it down and getting it back together

THRONE AND RAMPS REMOVAL:

UUUUUUGH! For anyone attempting this you HAVE to mark all connectors as there is quite a few to detach to get out everything. See pics below of both ramps and throne removed. I am determined to get to the bottom of the orbit hang ups.

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ELEVATOR:

Make sure to add all four rock washers so its flush inside from those four screws.

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GAME OF THRONES LE: LEFT ORBIT HANG UP

This video shows where Game Of Thrones LE/PREM owners are having issues where the pinball is getting stopped at the pops and is not making a full orbit as it should. This is also causing right orbit issues but not as frequent as with the left.

SOLUTION: Replacing the top three Castle Black in lane rubbers with smaller ones will resolve the issue as it did for me.

New rubber list to help with left orbit hang up. I will try and test large rubber sleeves for Castle Black posts to see if that also helps.

Game Of Thrones LE RUBBER LIST:
4 - Flipper bands
2 - 2 1/2 ID
1 - 1 3/4 ID
2 - 1 1/4 ID
3 - 3/4 ID
3 - 7/16 ID
3 - 5/16 ID
3 - 3/16 ID
8 - 7/16 MIDIPOST
RECOMMEND
4 - Flipper bands
2 - 2 1/2 ID
1 - 1 3/4 ID
2 - 1 1/4 ID
3 - 3/4 ID
3 - 7/16 ID
6 - 3/16 ID (FOR TOP INLANE RUBBERS FOR POPS ENTRANCE)
5 - 7/16 MIDIPOST
3 - 3/8 MINIPOST (FOR LEFT ORBIT ENTRANCE AND L & R OUT LANE POSTS)Game Of Thrones LE RUBBER LIST:

After an hour of testing I noticed that unless you have a perfect left orbit shot, you will still end up in pops. This is better than every time with the larger rubber on. I do however get a 9 out 10 ratio complete left orbit shot with NO rubbers on I am attempting to find the smallest rubber that will not over in lanes and doing some modding on old rubbers, will report back soon.

OK, burning rubber or polyurethane in the house will only make a mess a piss your wife off, so do NOT do that. I tried to make post sleeves and midi posts holes larger but was unsuccessful. I then cut the end off a shooter tip and was able to get it around the smaller base of an in lane as seen in picture.

Solution ideas:

1. Is there a post sleeve with 3/16 ID or midi post with 3/16 ID? If so wear do you order
2. Are there different in lane guidess that are smaller?

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I think I found a solution. If we used this type of land guide with a post sleeve the ball should be able to pass more freely, going to raid my parts bin tomorrow and start experimenting.

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I was not able to get it wedged like yours, so I am thinking your gate clearance needs adjusted by bending it a little or maybe your interlock gate may be active when it is not supposed to be. I will examine that issue a little more and report back.

I think the best solution will be alternate lane guides with rubber sleeve posts, going to have a a whole spew of alternatives to test with tomorrow.

I for see the Castle Black area getting Tore up badly in future. There is no mylar covering that area and with the two gate stoppers right there that bring a pinball to a bouncing or skidding stop.... I shutter to think. Get a mylar rectangle in if you tear that area down.

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Yes it does and I am fabricating a fix for it as a text I'll post here in maybe an hour

This video shows where Game Of Thrones LE/PREM owners can make their own DIY fix for the left orbit.

SOLUTION: Replacing the top three Castle Black in lane rubbers with smaller ones will resolve the issue with a 4 out of 10 pass through. 8 out of 10 pass through solution with the use of cut coil sleeves and heat shrink covering.

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You can't afford me no worries though I will help you out, but you still owe me from your kiss prem I helped you with.

I will fix it, but it will be awhile until I get my play field back together so I can test that. Can you post some pics pointing out where its flying off, thanks

NOPE! I sent an email a few days ago. I also emailed Chas directly and asked if a fix from them will come down, but it takes a few days to hear back from him and I am guessing that if everyone is having this issue he is back logged. I am also betting that we will not hear a thing until mass production of PREM's go out. The reason for this will be that I bet half the LE owners are not aware that there is a left orbit and that the ball is just supposed to drop in pops. So until a lot of PREM owners start complaining Stern will most likely try and keep this quiet.

The cheapest solution for them is to send us all out little rubbers that will STILL cause an issue, the clearance is just not there. A thin rubber post is only option IMO which will have to be developed as I do not see Stern redeveloping the three lane guides to add more clearance. From my pictures you can see that all rubbers on the top of the lane guides encroach in the lanes. See pics for left and right orbit entrance for reference.

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Those left and right sling flashers were bugging the crap out me and even with a test mod it seemed to cover my field of view. I relocated the left flasher to left ramp and the right flasher to behind sword lock. I might move them back if I do not like how the flashers flash over play field, but as of right now the relocation makes the game more visibly appealing to me IMO.

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LE cards and Gold Lannister Start button installed!

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NOPE! And everyone on Pinside can adjust that diverter all they want. That was the first thing I tried for TWO HOURS! What does he mean by (some diverters) do we all just have bad batches of Diverters? I attempted recessed diverter and flush diverter, ALL with the same hang up. Let me know how Ritchies fix works for everyone.

I hope they do not swallow their pride and every one gets new diverters! LOL

I would also like to see a video of one working from the factory. As all other LE video I have seen shows the issue. Its an LE unicorn!

PICS OF REMOVED DIVERTER

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Testing of loose diverter to attempt fix from STERN suggestions. Video also shows that if diverter is adjusted too much a right orbit and shooter lane launch will be hindered.

Glad that a few people have working LE's, as for the rest of us with issues, I am still working on a fix

Left Orbit fix 2:

With my custom post rubbers I was getting more clearance, but would still get hung up now and again, but with my custom shield transition piece, I make it every time.

LOL when I get my game back together and update from 1.9 I will let ya know

Yes I did and the verdict is that the shield bracket allows for a left orbit shot pass through but with my smaller rubbers there is more wiggle room for a less than perfect left orbit shot. Problem people will be having soon without smaller rubber is that those plastic posts, mainly the middle one is going to take a really bad beating and crack and break up. Those posts were not designed to take frequent hard strikes, but because of the v grove diversion into that center post it will cut the life span of that plastic by 65% roughly.

I will post free plans and dimensions as soon as I finish testing mine and three others. I want to make sure it can take some abuse before I start sending these out to you guys. I also heard that Stern heads were having an engineering meeting about this and that they do not like me that much...LMFAO!

Not that I mind helping everyone but on this issue I really hope they send out a fix and not refer people to my thread like with my KISS fixes. With that being said, I am making 4 more prototype shields next week to help some of you all out.

never seen a stuck ball , you get those pics for me yet?

NEW ISSUE!
EVERYONE CHECK YOUR BATTERING RAM! I noticed some black shavings and saw that the top left screw is scraping the battering ram. It is an easy fix you just need to add a washer, but if you have not done so your ram may be damaged and need replacing. This could also be the reason why some battering ram hits do not register. Let me know if this is just my machine or its others.

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Yeah I saw that one. I need a side shot mainly left orbit side to see where hang up is. Top view gives no depth and angle perception for my programs to calculate adjustments

YES TO ALL! When implementing the Steve Ritchie fix you may have inadvertently created a gap where the diverter connects with the lane, if this happened then the ball will jump and hit the first post falling back down left orbit. This is exactly what happened to me when I tried this fix. This only happens when your left orbit shot is less than perfect. The smaller rubbers cut this down so it makes it past the first lane 8-10 times. Using the rubber coil sleeves has a 100% pass rate, at least on my machine. The diverter shield I created completes the pass through.

In order to remove replace rubber just the ramp needs to be removed I think, but if you have your own diverter shield then you only need to remove diverter and loosen one lane guide bolt.

I got tired of waiting on saucer eject fix for KISS from Stern so I made my own. Stern now refers people to my Kiss thread for that fix, so if Sterns last pin is any indicator to engineering fixes, you may be waiting awhile. TWD was an exception because sending out ramp fixes was costing them money in replacements and warranty work, Ball hang ups may not be on their top priority. I am not bashing Stern in anyway. I am simply stating the facts from their last pin release and how they dealt with that issue.

Have you checked your play field pitch and not just the bubble? Are other people also having this issue? I will dive into this issue in the morning.

Dimples are one thing but you might start getting divots unless you get a mylar square on where the ball drops.

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Having some fun with the Lanister guards while I wait for my parts from Stern.

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Check the little metal flap leading up to ramp to see if it is smooth and flush on play field, you may be getting slight bounce.

Call your distributor and get a new one like I am

LMFAO! Welcome to the wonderful world of "GOT ISSUES?"........oooooo I like that, might have to rename thread. Sooooooo to add more gasoline to the fire did you check on your RAM as well? Who else here is having this brick ramp issue? Try using some spacers on the shield to give it a bit more clearance on top.

LOL. Sorry do not mean to laugh, but I just answered that question in a PM for another pinsider who couldn't understand Stern Tech support. There are two screws at bottom of play field. You need a philips for them, they screw through the center and right lane guide posts. There might be a third nut at back of throne, can not remember. Do not forget to unplug the power to coil and throne switch. There are four more screws at plate that screw into the plastic throne to remove the throne housing. See pics for reference

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BEELZ, here are pics of my ramp, do you have the spacers installed on yours?

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Make sure you guys check your rams and post your pics of damage here

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Do not touch coil screws as they are not needed to take throne off, The only way to get to four screws that hold plastic throne over coil housing is to remove entire throne mech

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Larger circle against rubber back stop

Mine are on, but screw protrudes through past the bracket down on to the ram.

I have superbands on mine as well and did not notice any brick shots. My suggestion is add extra washers and maybe mylar the underside of shield for maybe it will add a slight cushion, if anything it will keep your plastic shield from cracking.

Since this not just on BEELZ issues I am betting that this is a known problem for others. Going to fabricate some plastic shields now. let you all know later on in week.

Have a close up of the ram getting worn down?

Beelz, any luck with ramp fix?

SHEESH! I guess I could start making Lexan shields as well with larger washers. Pics to follow soon.

Try this when you get a second. Just barely, maybe a quarter of a turn loosen the two screws that hold the bottom of the ramp down, this will change the bottom shield angle a bit and maybe add a bit of flex

It will start bugging you once you realize that a left orbit shot is needed to complete a certain house and you cant complete it. It bugs the heck out of everyone else who can't play the game correctly because of a manufacturing defect. Sounds like you are in the Honeymoon phase, when you start using strategy for points then it is reeeeeeeeeeally going to bug you.

Stick a small screw driver in hole at lock on right side then throw some balls through. Take a pic and show me installed and I will let you know. Pm me with number and I can walk you through it tonight

I believe they do. I am in the process of changing out my Kiss red set from them as I am tired of cleaning out flakes and have replaced both sling shots and two others for snapping, game had maybe 200 games with them on.

Waldo is the rubber spacers on top of stock Stern spacers

If it is addressed in premiums and Stern does not actively send out the fixes to LE owners, distributors will be bombarded by all LE owners. My guess is that Stern will take care of LE owners IF and I stress IF they decide to fix the issue. I mean, not to beat a dead horse or anything, but they have not fixed mechanical issues in their last pin, so I am not holding my breath.

IMO, I believe that there is no margin for error with GOT LE/PREM. That being said, if a diverter arm or v groove lane guide is not milled correctly and is off by one or two mills, then this causes problems. This is not uncommon and is easily missed during initial testing as those specs are created perfectly for testing purposes. Just like with the frequent bad node boards some people are having issues with, some of us received badly milled diverter arms or lane guides.

I do wonder once LE owners start breaking in their pins that have no issues now, if the diverter or lane guide will give them issues in the future?

PinB you have a pic of where node board 8 is located for others to reference?

For those of you receiving Shield Brackets please follow video instructions for a successful left orbit. Removing the interlock coil from rear will assist in installation so that you may see clearly of installment. Remember to loosen the one bolt retaining lane guide to slide bracket in.

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When everyone receives their Shield Bracket, make sure to NOT over torque the nut when putting it back on the ball guide lane. Just take not of how tight the nut feels on the lan guide before removing it.

I ordered a few more sheets, once they get in next week I will make a few more. For any one wanting to make these yourself make sure to notch them, for some reason just straight up making the thin "L" brackets does not make them pliable up top and you have to angle bend them so they hug the lane guide and diverter.

How did it stop working? You do know that it only works during certain modes, some modes have it intentionally stopping in the pops. If you are getting a left orbit return down the lane, then the smaller rubbers will get rid of that.

PIN SIDES

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NOPE! I altered a GOT image in photoshop and printed myself, here is where I got the image from

http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/54e7fe1b-e96c-485e-b13f-a205635e0642/32574f30-fb68-4809-8b59-88d38a78e796.jpg

I will get back to you as soon as I get another sheet in to make more. I sold out of my first 15 sets already, should be sometime next week, your on the list.

Nope, thats just what they look like from factory with only 20 plays or so, most of hem were just test plays. I refuse to play a NIB if it does not play correctly. I do however have a play field protector being shipped out to me. I will let everyone know how it plays.

On a good note Chas is replacing my ramp and battering ram, so if any of you are having same issue contact him with pics and your distributor. He said the Thrones are supposed to look like this, Do all you guys have similar looking Thrones? It looks like its broke off at seat. Feel free to post Throne pics here.

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It was cracked, but as soon as I get back to my shop after snowpocalypse, I have some outlines I am going to cut and test out. I haven't forgotten about ya Beelz.

You have a pic of your Throne? Please post here

Gonna throw one of these in with every bracket shield order, just pull back film and adhere to inside throne for a gentle landing, same concept as using the drop dead foam cushion, but more hidden. Works great on my throne, but not everyones throne is cut the same way so a little alteration may be required if you get one of these. For everyone who is on the list you are reserved one.

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I will send you guys one free on next order of anything, but if you need one now pm me and I will go buy some stamps and envelopes

gotcha

SHIELD BRACKET UPDATE!

I have about 8 of my testers report back stating that my bracket has worked GREAT for them, some slight adjusting may need be done with your diverter arm in conjunction with bracket, but nothing extensive, only one of my testers so far that has reported back needed additional adjusting on his end. I will start making them as I have had about 30 more requests. They will be $27 shipped which will include a throne cushion. I have a friend who will let me use his press so I can have these bent and I have a really good notcher now that will make cutting the sheets easier. I will make an additional 50 more before I leave for my deployment in a few months, that being said I have training in two weeks and will be out of contact due to training for two weeks then back home for a little while to finish a third run and start a fourth before I leave. I will still have limited connectivity between missions, so please be patient with me.

I was hoping Stern would make an updated diverter arm, but since I am starting to get overseas request from pinsiders who have Premiums, I am not so sure now.